[ArtK78]

gnasher, on Jul 21 2010, 04:02 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 20 2010, 03:36 PM, said:

That is a rather flippant dismissal of LTC as a means to evaluate hands.

Are you saying that LTC merits a more respectful dismissal?

Yes, as a matter of fact.

[cherdanno]

ArtK78, on Jul 21 2010, 01:14 PM, said:

gnasher, on Jul 21 2010, 04:02 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 20 2010, 03:36 PM, said:

That is a rather flippant dismissal of LTC as a means to evaluate hands.

Are you saying that LTC merits a more respectful dismissal?

Yes, as a matter of fact.

If LTC fans posting on BBF would write things "This hand has 8 losers but 4-card support for a 9-card fit so that our 2 doubletons are really likely to be useful" then maybe loser count would deserve a respective dismissal. But since instead the most egregiously wrong hand evaluations are very often supported by "this is an x loser hand!", I prefer the flippant dismissal. Maybe it will convince someone; more likely than that it won't, but at least we can have a little fun at the expense of one of the most annoying classes of posts on BBF.

[hanp]

Disagree with Arend, not even close to most annoying.

[bluecalm]

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Also, unless you were very careful this simulation is not quite right. The random hands you deal for partner when you give us 4 trumps are less likely to have 6+ hearts for example. The actual difference in playing strength between 3 or 4 trumps should be a little bit larger than what you found.

My simulation program doesn't have that problem. It just deals all the cards and accept hands which meet the requirements so 6cards suit will be naturally less likely if we have 4 of them.
I agree that this simul doesn't mean much. I just wanted some quick numbers. My feeling is that the difference should be more than 0.5tricks as well.

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Anyone with any intelligence knows that 4 card trump support is better than 3 card trump support, even lacking any honors in the trump suit. And, obviously, the difference will be taken into account in evaluating the hand.

Yeah. I just don't like LTC and can't imagine making decisinos based on this (in my opinion) very superficial and about useless method.
I understand that some people do and probably some of them are better at making decision than me

[hanp]

bluecalm, on Jul 21 2010, 04:12 PM, said:

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Also, unless you were very careful this simulation is not quite right. The random hands you deal for partner when you give us 4 trumps are less likely to have 6+ hearts for example. The actual difference in playing strength between 3 or 4 trumps should be a little bit larger than what you found.

My simulation program doesn't have that problem. It just deals all the cards and accept hands which meet the requirements so 6cards suit will be naturally less likely if we have 4 of them.

I think you missed my point as you just confirmed that your simulation program DOES have the problem I mentioned.

[bluecalm]

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I think you missed my point as you just confirmed that your simulation program DOES have the problem I mentioned.

Why ?
If we set our hand and deal 3 others 6card suits in partner hands will be less likely than by dealing random hands (whithout taking into account our hand)
Can you elaborate why you think this problem exists ?