[mohitz]

♠xxx ♥AQJ9x ♦x ♣J9xx


IMPs, we vul, they not

(2♠) - 3♦ - (4♠) - ?

[the hog]

X. 5H could certainly work, however.

[CSGibson]

I double.

[MFA]

Pass. I don't quite have the values for double. Partner is allowed to take it out - it shows transferable values. I would have passed 3♦.
Bidding 5♥ would be absolutely crazy.

[bluecalm]

Pass. I think partner will take the double out on any excuse (like 7 diamond or spade void which he is very likely to have). We don't want that so pass.
If we have game to make there is (admittedly small) chance partner reopens.

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Bidding 5♥ would be absolutely crazy.

Yeah, but it may work quite often I think, still it's a bit too much of a stretch for me.

[cloa513]

Thats a clear pass. limited defense against spades. partner probably has 3 hearts but that's not certain 2♥, 1♠, 6♦ 4♣ is a possible shape with less than solid diamonds.

[gwnn]

I think double is right at this vulnerability. Opps seem to have bid 4♠ on length and partner will not usually reopen notwithstanding his shortness -- he has already bid 3♦ vulnerable against not!

[effervesce]

Agree with double. If partner takes it out I'm happy - pard has short spades and we rate to make a fair number of tricks in a club/heart contract. I'm also happy with it left in with the singleton diamond. Partner won't have a poor hand with a vul overcall.

[pooltuna]

gwnn, on Jun 21 2010, 07:02 AM, said:

I think double is right at this vulnerability. Opps seem to have bid 4♠ on length and partner will not usually reopen notwithstanding his shortness -- he has already bid 3♦ vulnerable against not!

what! a voice of reason in the wilderness!!!

[ggwhiz]

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I think double is right at this vulnerability. Opps seem to have bid 4♠ on length and partner will not usually reopen notwithstanding his shortness -- he has already bid 3♦ vulnerable against not!

Indeed, 3♦ does not show a piece of cheese on these colours and -590 isn't the end of the world anyway.

Passing here gives the opps a licence to steal forever more.

[Phil]

I pass.

I don't have enough to act - over a x, I don't want to hear 5♦, and I'm not sure I'm happy if pard passes.

[mikegill]

Pass and honestly I don't think it's that close.

[hanp]

Agree with pass.

[wank]

i'd like to smack it for penalties, but X wouldn't be penalties sadly.

i can't smack it as it is, because if partner bid 5D i'd vom all over the table.

[gwnn]

It's not a support double, partner will not pull to 5D just like that. If partner pulls it to 5D I'd be pretty happy. It will often convert something like +100 to -100, big deal, I'm interested in +300 or +600 or +620.

[bluecalm]

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It will often convert something like +100 to -100, big deal, I'm interested in +300 or +600 or +620.

Also sometimes you will wind up in 6♦ as partner will expect better hand for the double, that admittedly is rare.

I can see double may work. Pass just seems so "normal" though. We need more opinions/analysis I may well be convinced to double being right.

[Fluffy]

partner didn't double so he has singleton + doubleton or 2 singletons, 1264 is the most likelly hand for him.

I would double, but I expect him to bid 5♣ next.

[ggwhiz]

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I can see double may work. Pass just seems so "normal" though. We need more opinions/analysis I may well be convinced to double being right.

Just a first shot here.

♠2, ♥K2, ♦AQJ643, ♣K1082 feels like a 50-50 or so ♣ game that should probably play for 300, maybe 500 on defence. If it's a freak and they make it, it's 5 imps out of petty cash, well worth it to avoid being labelled as an imp player that can be pushed around. Also usually only a 5 imp loss if 5♣ is bid and goes down 1.

♠2, ♥32, ♦AKJ63, ♣KQ1082 The ♥ finesse should be better than 50-50 after the 2♠ opening. Passing 4♠ could rarely lead to a double game swing with the slightest defensive slip. Pard won't bid unless I hitch/pass will they?

I'm not very good at constructing hands but I bet those that are can come up with better hands where pard is handcuffed by your silence. Anyone that comes up with worse hands that overcalled 3♦ need new partners.

[Apollo81]

On the hands where it's right to compete over 4♠, partner may be able to find a double himself.

I pass.

[the hog]

MFA, on Jun 21 2010, 02:37 PM, said:

Pass. I don't quite have the values for double. Partner is allowed to take it out - it shows transferable values. I would have passed 3♦.
Bidding 5♥ would be absolutely crazy.

Passing partner's 3D bid is the best way of securing a new partnership. I find it unbelievable to even think of passing that bid. All I can say is that your vulnerable 2 level overcalls do not resemble mine.