[pirate22]

I presume there is no BBO criteria?
thus self assesment, can some illustrious player define
beginner-----------Novice----------intermediate---------advanced.

Expert-------------world class.-------FAKE EXPERT-----Private

what are the self imposed guidelines
regards

[Jlall]

There are BBO criteria.

[hanp]

This is a very important topic and I am glad that somebody started a thread about it.

[helene_t]

I was subbed into an "expert only" tourney.

The TD told me that since this is an "expert only" tourney, I should change my skill level to expert immediately.

I did so, and wrote in the profile text "don't worry, I am just a fake expert like the rest of you".

[pirate22]

Having started this thread-im thinking of demoting/promoting myself,
and i am hoping someone from BBO will make an input.
I feel there should be a penalty for over assesment,but i fear there will be no answer from BBO-they want as many players,and we are left to our own assesment, also interesting the BOTS are not rated,not that i have plyd against them or with them.but i feel in the interest of BBO the site should have some integrity....constructive suggestion. when applying a self assesment is made,and BBO provide a questionaire for the applicant to complete,and the assesment fairly
given by the powers to be.somewhat the same as the handle you propose is available:):) i rest my case and hope to hear from BBO regards

[pirate22]

I am amazed at Helen T input----------BBO's integrity is lowering itself.
how can the TD justify his request???????????? now i understand the
expression and self assesment -----"Fake Expert"
How many are on BBO???

[jjbrr]

I prefer just to ignore that particular part of one's profile.

[pooltuna]

pirate22, on May 4 2010, 10:59 AM, said:

I am amazed at Helen T input----------BBO's integrity is lowering itself.
how can the TD justify his request???????????? now i understand the
expression and self assesment -----"Fake Expert"
How many are on BBO???

Well I have done some mild surveys in the past. In the downloadable BBO program it is possible to selectively show both skill level and country and as a curiousity I chose several countries which I thought had excessive levels of experts. As I recall at the time of my inquiry India had on the order of ~50% of their online players in the expert or higher class whereas the Turks, Italians, Bulgarians were on the order of ~30%. The lowest were the Norse countries which ran in the lower 20% range. This data is about 3 years old. Recently I have had irritations with players who start their handles(online names) with "0(zero)" and a quick check showed that approximately 85% of players who did this were self assessed experts.

As a point of interest I think the level definitions chosen by BBO are significantly biased to the high end of the Bell shaped population that is BBO. In essence the BBO expert and world class definition would have to be stretched to near breaking point to cover 5% of the BBO population. Consequently self assessment is less effective than it might be and is abused routinely as a result.

[jillybean]

pooltuna, on May 4 2010, 10:17 AM, said:

pirate22, on May 4 2010, 10:59 AM, said:

I am amazed at Helen T input----------BBO's integrity is lowering itself.
how can the TD justify his request???????????? now i understand the
expression and self assesment -----"Fake Expert"
How many are on BBO???

Well I have done some mild surveys in the past. In the downloadable BBO program it is possible to selectively show both skill level and country and as a curiousity I chose several countries which I thought had excessive levels of experts. As I recall at the time of my inquiry India had on the order of ~50% of their online players in the expert or higher class whereas the Turks, Italians, Bulgarians were on the order of ~30%. The lowest were the Norse countries which ran in the lower 20% range. This data is about 3 years old. Recently I have had irritations with players who start their handles(online names) with "0(zero)" and a quick check showed that approximately 85% of players who did this were self assessed experts.

As a point of interest I think the level definitions chosen by BBO are significantly biased to the high end of the Bell shaped population that is BBO. In essence the BBO expert and world class definition would have to be stretched to near breaking point to cover 5% of the BBO population. Consequently self assessment is less effective than it might be and is abused routinely as a result.

Tooona, what do you do in your free time for fun.

[jdonn]

This is the topic where tuna makes a useful contribution? hehe

I have rated myself at all the levels at different points in time so I'm sure at some point I was correct.

[mikeh]

I have used 'private' as my category for several years. By BBO definitions, I am WC, but, to me, that description belongs to those who could claim to be in the top 100 or so in the world, which certainly isn't me. Nor is it most people, imo, who have represented smaller-bridge-population countries in international competition.

Some Canadians are or were truly WC (Fred is one ex canadian....ex, certainly in bridge terms, and there have been several others who have played for the US, and of course Murray and Kehela were for years one of the world's best pairs) and other smaller (bridge-wise) countries have produced true stars. But the US, to take the obvious example, probably has more than 100 players capable of winning the team trials even of a country as strong as Canada, let alone some of the truly weaker countries, yet few of them will ever be WC in the BBO sense.

As for calling myself an expert, that is so laughable on BBO that I don't want to state that I am a bad player, with an inflated ego. I am sure the latter part is true, but I hope the former is not So Private it is.

I wonder if tuna could search to see how 'private' ranks?

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on May 4 2010, 01:01 PM, said:

This is the topic where tuna makes a useful contribution? hehe

I have rated myself at all the levels at different points in time so I'm sure at some point I was correct.

Likewise, I have used them all except WC at some point.

[pooltuna]

jillybean, on May 4 2010, 12:46 PM, said:

pooltuna, on May 4 2010, 10:17 AM, said:

pirate22, on May 4 2010, 10:59 AM, said:

I am amazed at Helen T input----------BBO's integrity is lowering itself.
how can the TD justify his request???????????? now i understand the
expression and self assesment -----"Fake Expert"
How many are on BBO???

Well I have done some mild surveys in the past. In the downloadable BBO program it is possible to selectively show both skill level and country and as a curiousity I chose several countries which I thought had excessive levels of experts. As I recall at the time of my inquiry India had on the order of ~50% of their online players in the expert or higher class whereas the Turks, Italians, Bulgarians were on the order of ~30%. The lowest were the Norse countries which ran in the lower 20% range. This data is about 3 years old. Recently I have had irritations with players who start their handles(online names) with "0(zero)" and a quick check showed that approximately 85% of players who did this were self assessed experts.

As a point of interest I think the level definitions chosen by BBO are significantly biased to the high end of the Bell shaped population that is BBO. In essence the BBO expert and world class definition would have to be stretched to near breaking point to cover 5% of the BBO population. Consequently self assessment is less effective than it might be and is abused routinely as a result.

Tooona, what do you do in your free time for fun.

I was between online tournaments one Sunday morning

[pooltuna]

pirate22, on May 4 2010, 10:59 AM, said:

I am amazed at Helen T input----------BBO's integrity is lowering itself.
how can the TD justify his request???????????? now i understand the
expression and self assesment -----"Fake Expert"
How many are on BBO???

I don't think you can blame BBO or any of its employees as tournaments are essentially run by individuals with the minimum amount of required BBO oversight.

[rbforster]

jdonn, on May 4 2010, 01:01 PM, said:

I have rated myself at all the levels at different points in time so I'm sure at some point I was correct.

It's possible to do this and still be wrong the whole time - for example, if your skill is changing in the opposite direction of your personal assessment (among other ways).

[jdonn]

Rob F, on May 4 2010, 01:39 PM, said:

jdonn, on May 4 2010, 01:01 PM, said:

I have rated myself at all the levels at different points in time so I'm sure at some point I was correct.

It's possible to do this and still be wrong the whole time - for example, if your skill is changing in the opposite direction of your personal assessment (among other ways).

Actually I thought of that lol but I'm still sure I have been right at some times. I'm not admitting which times though.

[Jlall]

I was going to play against Hamman online once and noticed I had "world class." This was super embarassing to me. So I avoided world class for a long time but now my ego is big enough to handle it.

[xcurt]

BBO needs a reputation management system, badly.

Fred, please? I think this is the single biggest usability issue with BBO today. It makes finding a pickup game nearly impossible, since you can never trust unseen opponents. I'm not really into kicking people out every third hand because they're not real experts.

I'm aware this is very tricky to get right. Among other things, it provides an incentive to cheat.

Curt

[hotShot]

xcurt, on May 4 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

BBO needs a reputation management system, badly.

Fred, please? I think this is the single biggest usability issue with BBO today. It makes finding a pickup game nearly impossible, since you can never trust unseen opponents. I'm not really into kicking people out every third hand because they're not real experts.

I'm aware this is very tricky to get right. Among other things, it provides an incentive to cheat.

Curt

Do you really think that Novices and Fake-Experts are competent to judge other players skill level?

[georgeac]

i think the majority state their level too high. but i think this also has to do with the fact that some that are advanced will not accept intermediate or lower at their tables. so to find a game easier, some might just say advanced.