[gerry]

Scoring: MP

1♦-1♥-?

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You are a witness to an atrocity here, after 1♦ dealer used a method where by the 4 level she knew that partner had 6+hcp, 4+♥ and NO ♦A !!!

in the real world what do you call after 1♦-1♥ ?

[jdonn]

3♠, I don't want partner getting excited with spade strength and it leaves me more room than 4♥. "Don't splinter with a singleton ace" is still advice that is far overblown.

[the hog]

Well, I suppose you can splinter with 3S. It is probably not ideal, but should lead to avoiding the problm you describe.

[aguahombre]

right or wrong --23 support for hearts is too strong for 3S....would JS to 3C, then support hearts. Will still only be at the 4-level, but comfortable that I have not underbid, and the ball is in partner's court.

[Jlall]

Obvious 3S

[Siegmund]

I dislike 3S with a singleton ace on general principle, but with a 4-loser hand, my only real choice is to find SOME kind of a forcing bid agreeing hearts, so 3S it is for me. 4H would both be an underbid, and waste the space I might be able to use to try to catch back up.

Opening 2N (or 2C) isn't my style but I know a few people who might try it.

[aguahombre]

What I really dislike is making the same bid with the Ace of spades that I would make without the Ace of Spades.

[jjbrr]

2♥ or 3♠ seem automatic here, depending on your bidding philosophy.

[aguahombre]

jjbrr, on Apr 27 2010, 10:47 PM, said:

2♥ or 3♠ seem automatic here, depending on your bidding philosophy.

a simple raise did not occur to me.

[jjbrr]

aguahombre, on Apr 27 2010, 10:50 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Apr 27 2010, 10:47 PM, said:

2♥ or 3♠ seem automatic here, depending on your bidding philosophy.

a simple raise did not occur to me.

uh?

[mohitz]

jjbrr, on Apr 28 2010, 10:17 AM, said:

2♥ or 3♠ seem automatic here, depending on your bidding philosophy.

Don't you think 2♥ is a mild overbid?

[jjbrr]

mohitz, on Apr 27 2010, 10:51 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Apr 28 2010, 10:17 AM, said:

2♥ or 3♠ seem automatic here, depending on your bidding philosophy.

Don't you think 2♥ is a mild overbid?

ok I'll bite. what am i missing? I have a slam try in our suit and youre saying a simple cuebid is an overbid? i admit im drunk but wtf are you smoking?

[mohitz]

jjbrr, on Apr 28 2010, 10:23 AM, said:

ok I'll bite. what am i missing? I have a slam try in our suit and youre saying a simple cuebid is an overbid? i admit im drunk but wtf are you smoking?

ahh you were serious!

hint: opponents did not bid.

[aguahombre]

jibber...quit smoking your sox. this was an unimpeded auction.

[georgeac]

jjbrr, on Apr 27 2010, 11:53 PM, said:

mohitz, on Apr 27 2010, 10:51 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Apr 28 2010, 10:17 AM, said:

2♥ or 3♠ seem automatic here, depending on your bidding philosophy.

Don't you think 2♥ is a mild overbid?

ok I'll bite. what am i missing? I have a slam try in our suit and youre saying a simple cuebid is an overbid? i admit im drunk but wtf are you smoking?

i cant figure out if it was opened 1♦ and then 1♥ by opponents or if that sequence is without interference. I didnt vote in the poll because of this and this might be where the confusion is.

[jjbrr]

Sorry; i expected problems to actually be problems. if the opponents didnt bid this is an LOL thread.

You have to admit 1♦ (1♥) ?? is LOL.

as is 1♦- 1♥, but the latter is less LOL.

[aguahombre]

jjbrr, on Apr 27 2010, 11:01 PM, said:

Sorry; i expected problems to actually be problems. if the opponents didnt bid this is an LOL thread.

You have to admit 1♦ (1♥) ?? is LOL.

as is 1♦- 1♥, but the latter is less LOL.

nothing lol about underbidding by a full ace with 3S. It just shows that you are going to bid again past game. That is masterminding, not involving partner.

With XXX QJXXX KX XXX partner might appreciate the jump shift followed by game in hearts. but after the 3S splinter, opener is on his own to bid again.

[the hog]

aguahombre, on Apr 28 2010, 08:02 AM, said:

right or wrong --23 support for hearts is too strong for 3S....would JS to 3C, then support hearts.  Will still only be at the 4-level, but comfortable that I have not underbid, and the ball is in partner's court.

I agree with Aguahombre's thinking here. We get too many posts saying that a particular bid is "obvious". I too have been guilty of this in the past. While you might say, with right, that it is obvious to raise a response of 1H to 2H on
Ax
AQxx
Jxxx
Kxxx
it is not obvious to open this 1D instead of 1C for example. Nor is it obvious to raise to 2H instead of bidding 1NT on xx KJx Axxx AJxx. Fluffy would bid 1NT, I would bid 2H. All of these continuations are dependant on the preferences you and partner have decided. You may have your preferred choice, but that does not mean it is correct in other partnerships.

So what does this have to do with the given hand? I agree with Aguahombre that I really dislike this 3S bid. I dislike a splinter with a stiff Ace and I also believe the hand is too strong.
As the op has not given any details of his system we are left with personal choices. Perhaps 3S is the best of a bad lot of options, however it is hardly an "obvious" bid. In other partnerships a 3C js might be "obvious". Yet others might play a different method to show a strong hand in support, eg a jump to 2NT with various meanings. To say it is "obvious" smacks of arrogance.

[jjbrr]

aguahombre, on Apr 27 2010, 11:09 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Apr 27 2010, 11:01 PM, said:

Sorry; i expected problems to actually be problems. if the opponents didnt bid this is an LOL thread.

You have to admit 1♦ (1♥) ?? is LOL.

as is 1♦- 1♥, but the latter is less LOL.

nothing lol about underbidding by a full ace with 3S. It just shows that you are going to bid again past game. That is masterminding, not involving partner.

With XXX QJXXX KX XXX partner might appreciate the jump shift followed by game in hearts. but after the 3S splinter, opener is on his own to bid again.

lol? please bid 4♦ with a diamond cuebid and xxx in ♠

[jdonn]

Calling this 23 points in hearts means someone reeeeeeeeeally has to work on their evaluation. And in any case it's the cheapest splinter, there is a whole level of bidding before we have to decide to bypass game or not.