[serapuff]

IMPS, unfavorable, Dealer North

Dummy:
♠ AQT62
♥ 5
♦ J85
♣ J965

Your hand (South):
♠ 73
♥ T872
♦ KQ3
♣ 8742

West North East South
1♥ 1NT 2♥
3♥ Pass 3♠ Pass
4♠ Pass Pass Pass

You lead 7H, pd wins the KH.
Pd plays KC, declarer wins with the Ace of club

Playing UDCA, what do you play?

[jdonn]

I had to stare at the hands and auction for about 2 minutes to figure out the formatting and which hand dummy was. Here is a start:

Scoring: IMP

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N-----E-----S-----W
1♥..1NT...2♥...3♥
P.....3♠.....P....4♠
P......P......P

[Little Kid]

Thanks for making it clearer as to what is what jdonn, I got confused too. Would play small ♣ now

[serapuff]

Thanks Jdonn!

Yes I'm still trying to figure out how to use this forums =)

[Jlall]

8.

[jjbrr]

8. you want a ♦ switch.

[serapuff]

I guess more specifically, is this a count situation or an attitude situation?

[dredog03]

8. attitude. it's obvious what to shift to, if not continue clubs. a count doesn't seem important here. but my opinion is somewhat biased.

[jjbrr]

serapuff, on Apr 22 2010, 02:46 PM, said:

I guess more specifically, is this a count situation or an attitude situation?

Definitely an attitude situation. If you want a ruff, you can encourage.

[bluecalm]

I would give count. I am not convinced it's better just seems to be consistent with general rules I have with my partners (give attitude in the suit if that matters if not count, if not S/P).

[Phil]

8 here too. I'd be surprised it matters.

[jjbrr]

bluecalm, on Apr 22 2010, 03:20 PM, said:

I would give count. I am not convinced it's better just seems to be consistent with general rules I have with my partners (give attitude in the suit if that matters if not count, if not S/P).

How does attitute not matter on this hand? You want partner not to play clubs anymore lol

[Little Kid]

I like to give count here, with the agreement attitude>count>suit preference. It looks like a minority though, so maybe its a bad idea I would like to see a possible layout where it could actually matter on this hand.

[bluecalm]

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How does attitute not matter on this hand? You want partner not to play clubs anymore lol

Damn I somehow thought it's clear I don't have A♣ here.
Obviously 8♣ then as partner will lead Q from KQT/KQx seeing a low card which will establish 2 discards for declarer.

[serapuff]

Yes, I thought attitude (I have no ace) and suit preference (not Hearts) was obvious. Seemed like the only useful thing to give partner was count, so that he can get full count of the hand on top of clubs?

[jjbrr]

2 is an even number, last time I checked.

[Bbradley62]

Since I bid, partner should expect me to have something (although admitted not much). Seeing the first trick, he might think I have the Q♥, but he should expect me to have another card. Clearly, it's not in the black suits, so I must have a ♦ honor. So, there's no need to go out of my way to tell him that I have a card that he can already figure out that I have. But he might want to know how many clubs I have, to help him determine whether to cash Q♣. Therefore, I'd give count.

[Little Kid]

You can't even have the Q♥, declarer bid 1NT.

[655321]

I would play the 8 to discourage, but on this hand I can't see why it matters.

Partner has ♥AK and ♣KQ, declarer has the rest of the high cards.
So declarer is likely to draw trumps, and I am struggling to think of a layout where the club we play makes a difference. Did declarer show a 4 card spade suit? If declarer is 4342 with the ♣10 he can play a club, or if declarer as expected has ♥QJ he can pitch dummy's diamonds on the hearts and make 10 tricks, etc. Even if declarer has fewer than 4 spades and we encourage clubs, and partner somehow gets in, why wouldn't he play a diamond regardless of which club we played?

[serapuff]

jjbrr, on Apr 22 2010, 10:43 PM, said:

2 is an even number, last time I checked.

Yup - playing udca, 2 will be the card to show count