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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2010-April-18, 12:51

In the following auction, what do you suppose these calls mean?

(1) - pass - (4) - 4N
(dbl) - ?

- pass
- redbl
- 5
- 5
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Posted 2010-April-18, 12:55

One of redouble and pass should show a heart fit in case that is one of partner's suits. Not that I have that agreement with anyone.
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Posted 2010-April-18, 20:55

in my meta redouble will ask partner to shut up if opponents bid 5. However something along the lines cherdano points is probably better.
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Posted 2010-April-22, 09:54

This didn't quite get the response I would have hoped.

I polled a lot of good local players and the consensus was that:

xx = says we have ownership.

pass = no suit of our own. Please bid your hand out.

5/5 = real suits.

Cherdanno's suggestion about pass / xx (probably xx I would think) is interesting. I suppose it caters to the 4N bidder having + with responder 4522 for instance.

Anyway, it doesn't matter what you do, because these are the hands:

Scoring: IMP
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Partner xx'd (?) and I played 5 for -1400 after not judging the play not optimally. I suppose I could run to 5 (would you?).

LHO's weak 2 on JTxxxx Kxx Kx Kx generated the swing. At the other table the auction was p-p-p-4-AP
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Posted 2010-April-22, 10:05

One problem is that you gave an auction that began with 1, not 2. My preference for opener is that double of 4N is keycard...what it meant was not specified, and I assume that the double was intended, systemically or otherwise, to suggest to responder NOT to save at 5.

As it is, if the auction ever came up, I suggest that redouble should be the strongest bid...in essence, a slam try if we find a fit, pass should be asking you to bid your lower suit, and bids should be to play (maybe a 7 card suit, with 2=2 or worse in the suits he expects you to hold). I guess that's what you found to be the consensus
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Posted 2010-April-22, 10:40

cherdanno, on Apr 18 2010, 08:55 PM, said:

One of redouble and pass should show a heart fit in case that is one of partner's suits. Not that I have that agreement with anyone.

We play that if partner bids a suited hand and that is DBLed (eg: (1C)-2NT-DBL ) then REDBL is some preference for the highest suit. (bidding the highest suit is clear preference).
As an extension it is a good idea to have REDBL showing hearts preference.
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