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#1 User is offline   OleBerg 

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Posted 2010-April-01, 02:43

From a Danish open teams selection tournament. Opponents are very strong.

Scoring: XIMP

2♣ - (X) - XX - (6♠)
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2♣ = Unknown gameforce or 19+ balanced.
X = Undiscussed.
XX = Excactly one control, forced.

Double is defined as penalty, and partner will never pull.

What do you bid?
If you pass or double, what do you lead?
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Posted 2010-April-01, 03:27

- What hand do I have to imagine I have? The unknown GF or the 19+ balanced? B)
- Opponents are very strong but don't know what 2♣-Dbl means? :P

I guess Dbl, we're missing 2 Aces unless partner has a void.
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Posted 2010-April-01, 03:30

Free, on Apr 1 2010, 11:27 AM, said:

- What hand do I have to imagine I have? The unknown GF or the 19+ balanced? B)
- Opponents are very strong but don't know what 2♣-Dbl means? :P

I guess Dbl, we're missing 2 Aces unless partner has a void.

I was only Kibitzing, and that was all the information I got.
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Posted 2010-April-01, 03:36

OleBerg, on Apr 1 2010, 10:30 AM, said:

Free, on Apr 1 2010, 11:27 AM, said:

- What hand do I have to imagine I have?  The unknown GF or the 19+ balanced?  B)
- Opponents are very strong but don't know what 2♣-Dbl means?  :P

I guess Dbl, we're missing 2 Aces unless partner has a void.

I was only Kibitzing, and that was all the information I got.

Ah ok :)

Btw, I'd lead ♦A
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Posted 2010-April-01, 03:39

Double and lead ♦A seems entirely normal.
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Posted 2010-April-01, 04:16

I double and congrat opps if its a good sacrifice, can't see how pass is gonna work better if we are missing 2 aces.

lead ♦A since I expect dummy to hold ♣K and that means partner's control is in diamods.
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Posted 2010-April-01, 04:16

I am sorry but I don't understand this thread. partner has 1 control so we don't have grand. Opps bid to the 6 level. So we double them.

Are you asking about the lead?

I don't understand.

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Posted 2010-April-01, 04:24

gwnn, on Apr 1 2010, 12:16 PM, said:

I am sorry but I don't understand this thread. partner has 1 control so we don't have grand. Opps bid to the 6 level. So we double them.

Are you asking about the lead?

I don't understand.

And what has all this got to do with Clint Eastwood?

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Posted 2010-April-01, 04:25

X and lead DA.
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Posted 2010-April-01, 07:37

These are strong opponents? I wouldn't call opponents strong that perpetrated a V vs NV save at the 6 level when we have no slam. Actually I guess they are strong but odor isn't everything :)
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Posted 2010-April-01, 08:39

I suppose the possibility of bidding and making 6NT did not occur to anyone.

In any case, I don't see how you can do anything but double and lead the ♦A. However, given that this problem is posted, that cannot be the right answer (especially the part about leading the ♦A).
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Posted 2010-April-01, 08:41

ArtK78, on Apr 1 2010, 02:39 PM, said:

I suppose the possibility of bidding and making 6NT did not occur to anyone.

To me at least it did, but if 1 control means exactly 1 King and no aces, I doubt we can make 6NT
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Posted 2010-April-01, 08:43

ArtK78, on Apr 1 2010, 09:39 AM, said:

I suppose the possibility of bidding and making 6NT did not occur to anyone.

You are the only one good enough to make 6N here off 2 aces art. You are also the only one good enough to try to make 6N off 2 aces rather than double 6S white against red!
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Posted 2010-April-01, 08:46

Never mind, I was too slow.
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Posted 2010-April-01, 09:03

X, ♣A

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-April-01, 09:06

What's up with this trend of painfully obvious doubles with excellent trumps?
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Posted 2010-April-01, 09:12

aguahombre, on Apr 1 2010, 09:46 AM, said:

ArtK78, on Apr 1 2010, 08:39 AM, said:

I suppose the possibility of bidding and making 6NT did not occur to anyone.

Does "one control" mean something different these days?

It used to mean:

ace=2 controls, king=one control.

Both missing aces might be onside, though.

I assumed that one control must mean something different, or else there is absolutely no reason why this is posted here (except as a lead problem).

Perhaps one "first round" control?
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Posted 2010-April-01, 09:26

I guess we will shortly see the actual hand, but I have to confess I don't see this as the type of problem that would be discussed for more than 30 seconds in a post game pub meeting, other than the weirdness of the auction.

Double: what rational choice is there? 6N is absurd. Pass is idiotic.

As for the lead, partner has a minor suit King. We will likely learn which one it is after leading the diamond A....a lead that calls for attitude re the King if the King is not in dummy. So, unless someone ruffs our stiff, we have time to switch....I have sneaking sympathy for a heart lead, in case we need to establish a trick there, but I'm not looking to get greedy on defence at this vulnerability....this is not going to be an auction duplicated at the other table.
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Posted 2010-April-01, 09:33

They are red/white so they might be cold! We should pass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 2010-April-01, 10:00

Jlall, on Apr 1 2010, 10:33 AM, said:

They are red/white so they might be cold! We should pass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought about that: after all, they are very strong opps:


Maybe West should redouble?

Edit: I put a second spade 9 into this hand...S held it...but deep analysis persuades me that making East's spades 10xxxxx works just as well :blink:

Note that 6N is a great save....maybe Art forsaw this?
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