[Stephen Tu]

wank, on Mar 26 2010, 02:55 AM, said:

obvious to splinter but not sure why everyone's splintering with 4d.  on this side of the atlantic 2d would be natural and forcing and 3D would be a splinter.

Because even if 2♦ is natural and forcing, one might want to have 3♦ available to show 5-5 reds and GF, or alternately 5-5 inv. Otherwise you may have a problem with one range or the other on the third round of the auction.

One could argue that a lower level splinter has more utility than being able to show a 5-5 red invite, but for better or worse, BWS treats 3d as GF nat, with 2d ... 3d as inv.

[Fluffy]

when I play with bad aprtners they always bid 5m over my 4m or splinter, when all I Was willing to do is bid 4NT with the right fit .

Beginners and intermediates please: refrain from bidding 5m over 4x.

[Codo]

[quote name='jjbrr' date='Mar 26 2010, 11:49 PM'] Yes 2 [di] would be forcing too, but are you sure that you and your partner agree that
1[cl] 1[he]
2[cl] 2[di]
3[he] 4[cl] sets clubs and is no cuebid?

So I would simple raise too. [/QUOTE]
Codo, a jump to 3[he] in this auction should be a very specific hand type, though I won't offer an opinion of what it should be since I'm not totally sure. I suspect it's a hand that improves a lot with a [he] fit. However, it isnt bid too often since 2[he] would show 3-card support anyway and conserves space and allows partner to define what sort of hand type they have for the 2[di] bid.

In the auction you provided, I would take 4[cl] as natural. [/quote]
This is B/I so I had thought that the difference between 2 [he] and 3 [he] is that the one bid shows min. with 3 card support and the other maximum (around 15 HCPs) with 3 card support.

Of course you conserve space while bidding 2[he] with both hands, but you do so by given less informations and as usual it is not clear what is more benefitical in the later bidding/play.

[ggwhiz]

I lean towards a 2s bid ( game forcing) followed by clubs, maybe even 3 clubs if pard bids 2nt.

Pard should show or deny the Ace of diamonds right away and my slam interest and diamond shortness MAY be out of the way a level earlier leaving pard with 2nd round control bids later on.

Granted, I would usually have 1 more heart and 1 less club to bid this way but a diamond splinter when you know pard can't q a major is a waste of time and space.