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NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
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Posted 2010-March-29, 22:09
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 22:17
jillybean, on Mar 29 2010, 11:09 PM, said:
NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4, 2♠ = 2, _P = 1
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Posted 2010-March-29, 22:58
nige1, on Mar 29 2010, 10:17 PM, said:
jillybean, on Mar 29 2010, 11:09 PM, said:
NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4, 2♠ = 2, _P = 1
I gracefully accept my score of "1".
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Posted 2010-March-29, 23:28
1S for sure. If you made it slightly weaker I would pass. I hate a style where it is a 2S opener, but many people are successful with such a style.
Ace sixth is the worst holding for a preempt (it is terrible for offense, especially if doubled, and good for defense), you have a bunch of stuff outside which makes it likely to me that partner will misjudge the auction later, and your hand would play very well in hearts or diamonds if partner had some length there. To me it's just not a preemptive hand. The good spade spots do help the cause for preempting though.
A lot of people hate passing with hands like this as much as I hate opening a weak 2 with it though, I guess it just comes down to taste, I feel like I don't get bad results from passing though.
That said to me it is strong enough for an opening bid, and even if you consider it borderline being white at MP with spades is a big argument for opening if possible.
Ace sixth is the worst holding for a preempt (it is terrible for offense, especially if doubled, and good for defense), you have a bunch of stuff outside which makes it likely to me that partner will misjudge the auction later, and your hand would play very well in hearts or diamonds if partner had some length there. To me it's just not a preemptive hand. The good spade spots do help the cause for preempting though.
A lot of people hate passing with hands like this as much as I hate opening a weak 2 with it though, I guess it just comes down to taste, I feel like I don't get bad results from passing though.
That said to me it is strong enough for an opening bid, and even if you consider it borderline being white at MP with spades is a big argument for opening if possible.
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Posted 2010-March-29, 23:44
1S for me. Hate anything else.
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Posted 2010-March-30, 00:20
I open 1♠. I understand the passers. I can't understand anything else. I wonder what Part 2 is...
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Posted 2010-March-30, 00:48
1 ♠ for sure.
Second choice 2 ♠ , too many flaws.
No third choice.
Second choice 2 ♠ , too many flaws.
No third choice.
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Posted 2010-March-30, 01:29
I think 1♠ is right but both pass and 2♠ are reasonable choices.
It has 28 ZAR points so it has to be an opener!
It has 28 ZAR points so it has to be an opener!
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Posted 2010-March-30, 01:38
1♠. And did someone really rank 3♠ and 4♠ above P and 2♠?
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Posted 2010-March-30, 01:39
nige1, on Mar 29 2010, 11:17 PM, said:
jillybean, on Mar 29 2010, 11:09 PM, said:
NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4, 2♠ = 2, _P = 1
3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4 ? IMO those bids deserve minus points.
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Posted 2010-March-30, 04:20
Honestly, sometimes I pass these, sometimes I bid 1♠.
If my partner opened 4 spades and I held 16?? anything I'd probably be really ticked off, and I seldom get upset with partners...
If my partner opened 4 spades and I held 16?? anything I'd probably be really ticked off, and I seldom get upset with partners...
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2010-March-30, 04:29
3♠ is nuts IMHO. If it's too strong for 2♠ then 1♠. The time to open 3♠ on a 6-card suit is a hand that has insufficient HCPs for 1♠ but too much offensive strength for 2♠. This hand has adequate offensive strength for 2♠, the question is if it has enough HCPs for 1♠ and if it has enough O-D for 2♠.
I think neither so I am inclined to pass. At least on the forum. At the table I might have opened 2♠.
1♠ is not my style, playing 2/1. You have to count the sec queen to come to rule-of-20. OK the spots are nice but not great. Playing Precision (or Acol or WJ for that matter) I am OK with 1♠.
I think neither so I am inclined to pass. At least on the forum. At the table I might have opened 2♠.
1♠ is not my style, playing 2/1. You have to count the sec queen to come to rule-of-20. OK the spots are nice but not great. Playing Precision (or Acol or WJ for that matter) I am OK with 1♠.
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Posted 2010-March-30, 04:37
I would bid 1S, second choice pass. Did jdonn really rank 2S above pass?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-March-30, 04:39
hanp, on Mar 30 2010, 05:37 AM, said:
I would bid 1S, second choice pass. Did jdonn really rank 2S above pass?
jdonn hates pass with this type of hand iirc.
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Posted 2010-March-30, 04:42
Oh I misread his comment actually, he didn't say that he ranked 2S above pass.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-March-30, 04:59
jdonn, on Mar 30 2010, 02:38 AM, said:
1♠. And did someone really rank 3♠ and 4♠ above P and 2♠?
He preferred 1♠ but rated the others as as poor bids that would rarely work. Why his sympathy for 3♠ and 4♠? On the face of it, aren't they uninsurable? He may have been persuaded by Terence Reese's argument about "Pre-empts that are known to be weak". Zia Mahmoud has also endorsed the advisability of an occasional bluff.In the light of criticism, however, he would probably revise his assessment
Perhaps ...1♠ = 10, 2♠ = 5, 3♠ = 3, _P = 2, 4♠ = 1
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Posted 2010-March-30, 05:08
I'd pass, however, I tend to be pretty sound opener playing 2/1
Playing strong club, maybe even SAYC, I'd open 1♠
Playing strong club, maybe even SAYC, I'd open 1♠
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Posted 2010-March-30, 07:38
aguahombre, on Mar 29 2010, 11:58 PM, said:
nige1, on Mar 29 2010, 10:17 PM, said:
jillybean, on Mar 29 2010, 11:09 PM, said:
NV, MP, 2nd seat, what do you bid holding:
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 5, 4♠ = 4, 2♠ = 2, _P = 1
I gracefully accept my score of "1".
likewise I will take a "1"
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Posted 2010-March-30, 07:43
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
Ok, 1♠ it was, you are playing Italian cues (I think that's the name) cueing A,K,stiff,void
1♠:2N
3♣:3♥
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Please answer for both MP and IMP scoring
Ok, 1♠ it was, you are playing Italian cues (I think that's the name) cueing A,K,stiff,void
1♠:2N
3♣:3♥
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Please answer for both MP and IMP scoring
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Posted 2010-March-30, 07:56
jillybean, on Mar 30 2010, 04:43 PM, said:
A98753 QT3 K95 Q
Ok, 1♠ it was, you are playing Italian cues (I think that's the name) cueing A,K,stiff,void
1♠:2N
3♣:3♥
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Please answer for both MP and IMP scoring
Ok, 1♠ it was, you are playing Italian cues (I think that's the name) cueing A,K,stiff,void
1♠:2N
3♣:3♥
?
Please answer for both MP and IMP scoring
My hand just got a lot better...
Partner has 4+ card trump support which helps assuage the trump quality options.
I was able to show my club shortage and partner didn't immediately get turned off. With luck,, he doesn't have too much wasted opposite my stiff.
I'd probably temporize with 3♠.
I don't object to an immediate 4♦.
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