[jillybean]

Dealer: North Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ A943 ♥ AK43 ♦ 6 ♣ A953

West North East South

 -     1♣    Pass  1♥
 Pass  2♣    Pass  

How can I hint that we could have slam here?

[the hog]

Could have a slam? I would say you definitely have 6 and I would be looking for 7.
I first suggested a 4D splinter, however your partner will almost certainly sign off. I think 4C is a better bid. Over 4D you can now cue 4H and proceed from there.

[hotShot]

How many wasted ♦ values are in partners weak hand?
You can splinter 4♦, but if partner signs off you end in 5♣ when you could have overtricks in 3NT and 6♣ may still be possible.
If 2♠ is (game-) forcing and partner does not bid NT, he won't have a ♦ stopper, which means that he does not have many wasted ♦ values. If 2♠ is GF, partner should take from your 4♣ later that you are short in ♦.

[jukmoi]

Agree that we are good enough to drive to a slam. If partner holds ♠Qxx ♥Qx ♦KQ ♣Qxxxxx we are going down but assuming a hand like that is really pessimistic.

I like splinter 4♦. Over parners sign-off we can bid 6♣. If partner can cuebid, then RKBW. If we have all the keycards then 5NT. Hopefully partner will bid seven if he has decent minimum with no wasted values in ♦.

[paulg]

Rather than answer the question, I'll pose a couple.

Would 2♦ be forcing by responder on this sequence? If so, what is 3♦?

(As you can see that 3♦-3NT-4♣ would be a nice way to bid this hand)

[Cyberyeti]

Thi is an awkward hand for standard methods, wasted diamond values are only bad if the diamond holding is short.

xx, x, KJxx, KQJxxx is perfectly playable for a slam.

In B/I you have to bid 4C or 4D.

This is another hand where 2D (third suit forcing) works well. We play over one of a minor/suit response/2 of same minor rebid that the next suit up is an artificial force with game invitational or better values, and this solves a lot of problems without really creating many others.

[wank]

obvious to splinter but not sure why everyone's splintering with 4d. on this side of the atlantic 2d would be natural and forcing and 3D would be a splinter.

[ONEferBRID]

wank, on Mar 26 2010, 04:55 AM, said:

obvious to splinter but not sure why everyone's splintering with 4d.  on this side of the atlantic 2d would be natural and forcing and 3D would be a splinter.

I agree that 3D should be a splinter but for a different forcing reason:
I use "cheapest new suit forcing and maybe artificial" ( 2D! here ) over Opener's rebid of 2 of his minor. Thus, 3D! = a jump over a forcing bid is a classic splinter definition .
Hopefully, you can use 4C next as Minorwood in a GF auction.

Actually, you are ready to go RKC immediately and I would hope a 4C-jump over the 2C rebid is Minorwood in your arsenal.

[mcphee]

2C is for the majority of the players a 6 card suit, although it could be a problematic rebid issue for partner if 2-2-4-5 and no S value. 3D is a splinter, so I am not sure why I see this talk of 4D. If partner can cue bid the KS now I would launch into whatever key card methods we have in search of the grand. It is difficult for me to imagine a first seat opening bid of 1C on some trashy 11 count just because they have 6. If after 3D partner finds a 3N bid I will advance to 4C and see if they can show the A of D. If none of these good things happen I am going to hang him anyhow and bid 6C. If it goes down I can always ask why they opened.

[jillybean]

What is 4♣ in this sequence 1♣:1♥ 2♣:4♣?

I agree with bidders who use 4♦ as splinter and would play;

1♣:1♥ 2♣:2♦ nf <-- this is wrong, its forcing
1♣:1♥ 2♣:3♦ 65 or splinter?
1♣:1♥ 2♣:4♦ splinter

[vuroth]

Hopefully it's just geography, but I would treat 2♦ as NF

[jukmoi]

jillybean, on Mar 26 2010, 07:38 AM, said:

What is 4♣ in this sequence 1♣:1♥ 2♣:4♣?

Sets clubs as trumps and starts cuebidding.

[jjbrr]

Start considering playing 2♦ as forcing, for sure, imo. It makes all these game and slam auctions easier, and it's better when you have both majors or 3 suits or whatever because you gain a tempo in the auction.

When partner has 6♣, it's very often right with NF ♥ and ♦ to just pass and allow partner's 6 card suit to be trumps. If you're void, you can try to pull to 2♥. otherwise pass will very often be fine.

[Codo]

jukmoi, on Mar 26 2010, 10:13 PM, said:

jillybean, on Mar 26 2010, 07:38 AM, said:

What is 4♣ in this sequence 1♣:1♥ 2♣:4♣?

Sets clubs as trumps and starts cuebidding.

this... and I would bid this with your hand.

Yes 2 ♦ would be forcing too, but are you sure that you and your partner agree that
1♣ 1♥
2♣ 2♦
3♥ 4♣ sets clubs and is no cuebid?

So I would simple raise too.

[jjbrr]

Codo, on Mar 26 2010, 09:40 AM, said:

jukmoi, on Mar 26 2010, 10:13 PM, said:

jillybean, on Mar 26 2010, 07:38 AM, said:

What is 4♣ in this sequence 1♣:1♥ 2♣:4♣?

Sets clubs as trumps and starts cuebidding.

this... and I would bid this with your hand.

Yes 2 ♦ would be forcing too, but are you sure that you and your partner agree that
1♣ 1♥
2♣ 2♦
3♥ 4♣ sets clubs and is no cuebid?

So I would simple raise too.

Codo, a jump to 3♥ in this auction should be a very specific hand type, though I won't offer an opinion of what it should be since I'm not totally sure. I suspect it's a hand that improves a lot with a ♥ fit. However, it isnt bid too often since 2♥ would show 3-card support anyway and conserves space and allows partner to define what sort of hand type they have for the 2♦ bid.

In the auction you provided, I would take 4♣ as natural.

[jillybean]

Thanks, I like 2♦ forcing and it fits with the 1m:1♠ 2m:2♥ auction I posted earlier.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Without special agreement - 4D, a splinter.

If 2D is natural, than 3D is already a splinter.

The alternative to 4D would be 4C.

Lots of player play 2D in this seq. as artificial, you may remember
the thread, where it was suggested to play a 2H rebid by responder
as artificial, it is the same situation, if you bid clubs later, that would be
forcing.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Winstonm]

Quote

The Hog: Could have a slam? I would say you definitely have 6 and I would be looking for 7

xxx, xx, AK, KQJxxx
Remind me to not open this hand playing with you.

[goobers]

wank, on Mar 26 2010, 04:55 AM, said:

obvious to splinter but not sure why everyone's splintering with 4d. on this side of the atlantic 2d would be natural and forcing and 3D would be a splinter.

Not sure which side of the Atlantic you're on, but this side of the Atlantic I would expect 3D to be a splinter as well.

[the hog]

Winstonm, on Mar 27 2010, 12:13 AM, said:

Quote

The Hog: Could have a slam? I would say you definitely have 6 and I would be looking for 7

xxx, xx, AK, KQJxxx
Remind me to not open this hand playing with you.

Please do. Or at least let me open 1C. I will back myself to make 6.