[MinorKid]

4♦ is completely ok. It is unlucky that the club "fits".
But i will surely bid 2♦

[gwnn]

nobody plays 4NT as specific aces. or do you?

[ArtK78]

I don't like the preempt with a solid suit, even at unfavorable vul.

North should have KQJTxxxxx for his 4♦ bid, not AKQJxxxx.

There is no way South can or should ever get this right.

[MinorKid]

gwnn, on Mar 25 2010, 10:10 AM, said:

nobody plays 4NT as specific aces. or do you?

4NT may take too high...
So i agreed 4♦. But 2♦ IMO is better.

[MinorKid]

ArtK78, on Mar 25 2010, 10:14 AM, said:

I don't like the preempt with a solid suit, even at unfavorable vul.

North should have KQJTxxxxx for his 4♦ bid, not AKQJxxxx.

There is no way South can or should ever get this right.

Just 2♦ at least it won't cause disaster

[helene_t]

I think dbl with the North hand would be terrible. There is no way partner will ever take you for such an extreme hand with a singleton spade.

Just bid 2♦. Or 3♥ or 5♦ if you want to try something else.

[MinorKid]

Specific Aces will solve north's problem. However methods in doing that may take it too high.

[gwnn]

YES BUT 4NT IS NOT SPECIFIC ACES

[MinorKid]

helene_t, on Mar 25 2010, 10:20 AM, said:

I think dbl with the North hand would be terrible. There is no way partner will ever take you for such an extreme hand with a singleton spade.

Just bid 2♦. Or 3♥ or 5♦ if you want to try something else.

x -> rebid a new suit shows the hand quite simular to a strong one suiter. But if i am south i'd not think north's so extreme.

[MinorKid]

gwnn, on Mar 25 2010, 10:29 AM, said:

YES BUT 4NT IS NOT SPECIFIC ACES

Then what is 4NT mean?
If it is slammish (28~32 Bal.) why not start with a double?
If it is game both-minor forcing just bid 2NT and raise to game.

[manudude03]

Without discussion, I would assume 4NT to be both minors as well. Showing a more shapely hand than 2NT (something like xx void AQJxx KQTxxx at equal vul).

Reminds me of an auction I had at the club with Helene recently.

1C-(1S)-P-(2S)
4NT-(P)-5D-AP

I got asked if 5♦ shows 1 ace which I had to resist LOL.

Anyway, agree that partner doesn't have a 4D bid on this thread.

[hanp]

I would bid 3H as well. There is a lot to be said for showing a strong solid single suiter immediately when you can.

[jillybean]

mich-b, on Mar 25 2010, 06:53 AM, said:

Wouldnt anyone consider 3♥ (solid minor, asking for a ♥stop) with the North hand?

This is not on the menu, yet

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on Mar 25 2010, 10:07 AM, said:

mich-b, on Mar 25 2010, 06:53 AM, said:

Wouldnt anyone consider 3♥ (solid minor, asking for a ♥stop) with the North hand?

This is not on the menu, yet

3H is one of the few bids you can make up in the middle of an auction, undiscussed, I would think. But then again, maybe partner would mistakenly think "leaping Michaels"

[jillybean]

aguahombre, on Mar 25 2010, 09:29 AM, said:

jillybean, on Mar 25 2010, 10:07 AM, said:

mich-b, on Mar 25 2010, 06:53 AM, said:

Wouldnt anyone consider 3♥ (solid minor, asking for a ♥stop) with the North hand?

This is not on the menu, yet

3H is one of the few bids you can make up in the middle of an auction, undiscussed, I would think. But then again, maybe partner would mistakenly think "leaping Michaels"

Perhaps with my r/l partner I would but with my typical, pickup, bbo expert, that's where I would be playing.

[jillybean]

If we were playing (1♥) 3♥ as solid minor, asking for stopper, partner would bid 4♣ without a stopper, is 4♦ then nf ?

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on Mar 25 2010, 08:39 PM, said:

If we were playing (1♥) 3♥ as solid minor, asking for stopper, partner would bid 4♣ without a stopper,  is 4♦ then nf ?

Maybe, But the companion hand with two bullets in the black suits, a stiff heart, and four card support for diamonds -- knows that his/her partner has a solid diamond suit, and will do something slammish, not bid 4C.

Actually, 4C followed by 4S over the 4D rebid would get the message across, making 4c a cue in retrospect. then the king of clubs can be cue'd.

[jillybean]

Yes, thanks. In general, (1♥):3♥ 4♣:4♦ would be highly encouraging but nf.

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on Mar 25 2010, 10:03 PM, said:

Yes, thanks. In general, 1♥:3♥ 4♣:4♦ would be highly encouraging but nf.

exactly...but in this case, the other hand ---knowing that diamonds are trump because of the club ACE ---can use that information to create a cooperative auction. "He knows that I know that he knows....".

[MinorKid]

as North's first overcall
ACOL : 3♦ points 13//17
SAYC : 2♦ points 11+

ACOL :
-- [1♥] 3♦ [3♥]
4♥ [x] 4N [-]
5♥ [-] 6♦ AP

SAYC :
--- [1♥] 2♦ [3♥]
5♦ [5♥] 6♦ AP