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#1 User is offline   bftboy 

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Posted 2010-February-12, 08:20

Scoring: MP


At MP, lefty passes, P bids 1♠, rho passes, and you bid 1NT. Now lefty bids 2♥, passed around to you. What action do you take and why? :(
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Posted 2010-February-12, 09:16

Pass, what else would I do? I'm happy to defend 2♥.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 11:44

Free, on Feb 12 2010, 10:16 AM, said:

Pass, what else would I do? I'm happy to defend 2♥.

you mean besides double, er penalty double?
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Posted 2010-February-12, 11:54

aside from my three? trump tricks, this hand might not defend very well. Probably down in 2S. Probably down in 2H. Probably pass.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 12:52

Looks like an IMP pass but a MP double to me. (And yes, I would play X as penalty here... with 2S/3m to play and 2NT as pick-a-minor by my hand, doesn't seem any reason to add an exception to the "after somebody bids notrump, doubles are all penalty" rule.) Partner may still yank it with a void in hearts or some other weak crazy hand.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 12:55

Since when does 1♠ promise anything?

I hope to hold this to -110.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 13:23

Easy pass. No reason to double, and I wouldn't play it as penalty anyway.
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Posted 2010-February-13, 02:44

I'd pass
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Posted 2010-February-13, 05:57

Pass.
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Posted 2010-February-13, 09:19

wow, I'm surprised at the consensus. obviously, defending 2 ♥ only makes sense if 2♠ is going down. Why does everyone think that it is, esp. if N/S play sound openers? not being argumentative, I just would appreciate your thinking. :)
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Posted 2010-February-13, 09:54

Double is takeout so pass.
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Posted 2010-February-13, 12:38

bftboy, on Feb 14 2010, 02:19 AM, said:

wow, I'm surprised at the consensus. obviously, defending 2 ♥ only makes sense if 2♠ is going down. Why does everyone think that it is, esp. if N/S play sound openers? not being argumentative, I just would appreciate your thinking. :D

It's because some of us might prefer support for 2♠ (assuming some weak raises might begin with 1NT) but assuming that's not the case, there is no reason to be pushing to play in a 5-2 fit when we are looking at AK10x of trumps. Nothing is wrong with defending and also partner didn't make a takeout double which makes 2♠ contract less and less attractive. We are also not 100% sure that 2♥ will go off so we pass and take what we can get.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 00:10

bftboy, on Feb 13 2010, 10:19 AM, said:

wow, I'm surprised at the consensus.  obviously, defending 2 ♥ only makes sense if 2♠ is going down.  Why does everyone think that it is, esp. if N/S play sound openers?  not being argumentative, I just would appreciate your thinking.  :rolleyes:

Or if 2♥ goes down 3, or if they have a better fit in a minor we let them find, or if they compete and then partner over-competes expecting more offense.

I think the trick on hands like this is to not get too concerned with outcomes, just go by what your hand says. You have a defensive hand that likes the opponents in hearts, so let them play in hearts.

That being said 2♠ could work of course, but I don't like it.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 09:33

jdonn, on Feb 14 2010, 01:10 AM, said:

bftboy, on Feb 13 2010, 10:19 AM, said:

wow, I'm surprised at the consensus.  obviously, defending 2 ♥ only makes sense if 2♠ is going down.  Why does everyone think that it is, esp. if N/S play sound openers?  not being argumentative, I just would appreciate your thinking.   :)

Or if 2♥ goes down 3, or if they have a better fit in a minor we let them find, or if they compete and then partner over-competes expecting more offense.

I think the trick on hands like this is to not get too concerned with outcomes, just go by what your hand says. You have a defensive hand that likes the opponents in hearts, so let them play in hearts.

That being said 2♠ could work of course, but I don't like it.

nicely stated, I think that's exactly what I did. 2 ♠ could make, but P didn't find the line to make it. thx, :rolleyes:
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Posted 2010-February-16, 01:54

pooltuna, on Feb 12 2010, 06:44 PM, said:

Free, on Feb 12 2010, 10:16 AM, said:

Pass, what else would I do?  I'm happy to defend 2♥.

you mean besides double, er penalty double?

why would you play Dbl here as er penalty? :)
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