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#1 User is offline   lmilne 

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Posted 2010-February-10, 17:29

Scoring: MP


Bidding (you are West):

Pass-(1♠)-2♥-(2♠)-3♥-(4♠)-?

At what vulnerabilities would you consider bidding 5♥?
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Posted 2010-February-10, 19:46

All vuls.
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Posted 2010-February-10, 19:48

Agree with the first post of dake's that I've ever understood.
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Posted 2010-February-10, 19:53

Three posts into a thread, and there's already nothing left to say but "me too."
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Posted 2010-February-10, 20:58

Auto 5♥ here at all vuls and from someone who thinks that many players compete to the 5 level and at the 5 level too frequently.
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Posted 2010-February-10, 21:19

just wanted to check :rolleyes:
i bid 5♥ vul vs not, thought it was auto at all other vuls and probably this one too, its good to get forum confirmation though...
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Posted 2010-February-10, 21:36

keep up the good work lmilne
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Posted 2010-February-10, 22:06

cheers man
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Posted 2010-February-11, 08:47

lmilne, on Feb 10 2010, 06:29 PM, said:

Scoring: MP


Bidding (you are West):

Pass-(1♠)-2♥-(2♠)-3♥-(4♠)-?

At what vulnerabilities would you consider bidding 5♥?

I sell out to 4♠ only at unfavorable.
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Posted 2010-February-11, 10:03

at unfavourable I'd think about 3♥ instead of 2 but other than that I am trying 5 here.
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Posted 2010-February-11, 19:09

yeah, at unfav you're a little worried hitting something like xxx/QJxx/QJxx/Kx opposite, where you go -500 if the diamond hook is wrong.

red vs white, it's wrong to bid whenever we have 9 or less tricks, or when we have 10 and they have 9 or less. it's right to bid whenever we have 11 or more tricks or both sides have 10. just trying to get a feel for what the frequencies look like (it's probably an easier question at matchpoints because only frequencies are relevant rather than relative risk/reward).

so i guess the question could be rephrased as, do you think the probability that we make or have a good vul vs not save is greater than the risk of -500 or a phantom sac? it's probably just a thing you can build up over long experience...

i did consider 3♥, but i didn't think it was going to cause them many problems and my hand kinda felt like a normal overcall.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 05:16

lmilne you are forgetting that 5♥ doesn't have to be the final contract, nor it has to be doubled, by making a mistake yourself you are giving the last guess to opps
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Posted 2010-February-12, 05:42

As a law abiding citizen me too 5♥ in all vulnerabilities. With possible 21 total tricks both contracts (4♠ and 5♥) might make.
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Posted 2010-February-12, 20:15

Fluffy, on Feb 12 2010, 06:16 AM, said:

lmilne you are forgetting that 5♥ doesn't have to be the final contract, nor it has to be doubled, by making a mistake yourself you are giving the last guess to opps

people don't bid 5/5 that often... and they are doubling most of the time we are 2 light, right?
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Posted 2010-February-12, 20:38

Way too risky to pass when red against white!
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Posted 2010-February-12, 20:44

lmilne, on Feb 10 2010, 06:29 PM, said:

Scoring: MP


Bidding (you are West):

Pass-(1♠)-2♥-(2♠)-3♥-(4♠)-?

At what vulnerabilities would you consider bidding 5♥?

5h

As an nonexpert expect 5h to be down one.
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Posted 2010-February-13, 05:44

lmilne, on Feb 13 2010, 02:15 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Feb 12 2010, 06:16 AM, said:

lmilne you are forgetting that 5♥ doesn't have to be the final contract, nor it has to be doubled, by making a mistake yourself you are giving the last guess to opps

people don't bid 5/5 that often... and they are doubling most of the time we are 2 light, right?

not often, but enough for it to matter
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