[phil_20686]

Scoring: IMP

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At Unfavourable in the Camrose your RHO opens a strong club, what do you bid?

In the other room, your RHO opened 1S in a natural system, would you make the same bid now?

One is always told to preempt more aggressively over a strong club and I am interested if people will take different actions over the 1 Major opening instead of the strong artificial opening. Further there has been some argument among my friends over exactly how many clubs this hand is worth at adverse vulnerability.


PS, i Know most people would not platy a constrictive 2c bid over a strong club opener, but I am guessing many people stuill hav e a way to show this hand type by passing and then bidding for example.

[whereagles]

4♣ wtp? Probably LHO will be pressed to bid some 4M which might well go down on bad breaks and possible lack of hcp (you're not that weak hcp-wise).

A constructive 2♣ will give opps all the room to find out about their values and 5♣ is too likely opps will take the money.

As to what to do over 1♠, probably the same bid.

[helene_t]

3♣ over 1♣ and 2♣ over 1♠.

[P_Marlowe]

Always - 2C.

Against a strong 1C, I dont play constructive, but happily I play
it in the scenario you described, thats what I have.

Of course given that we are red vs. green, 3C not too bad either,
although I would say, the hand is slightly too strong facing an
unpassed p.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: What I would not do is pass over 1C, ..., lets say I would bid 3C,
which, given my strength, I am not bidding 4C, since this will lead
to a minus score, when we could have a plus score.

[dake50]

An 8-suit to KQ treated as good 6-suit on which I would try 3C/4C?
This has to be different. Bid 5C.

[Fluffy]

4♣ sounds right against 1♣.

Against 1♠ I'd downgrade this collection and bid simply 3♣.

[gwnn]

huh? we're favorable aren't we?

five
clubs

edit: ok I won't be a format Nazi but it is confusing.

at unfavorable I'll do 4♣ vs both.

[hanp]

I'll bid 4C over 1C and 2C over 1S.

[nigel_k]

Also 4♣ over 1♣ and 2♣ over 1♠.

I would never play 2♣ constructive over a strong 1♣ though. Just pass with good hands and bid to the limit immediately with weak hands.

[neilkaz]

hanp, on Jan 12 2010, 11:43 AM, said:

I'll bid 4C over 1C and 2C over 1S.

Same here.

[jikl]

I am 4♣ over 1♣. Less sure about 1♠ but probably 4♣ since I am likely to "transfer" them into 4♠. I would be happier doing this with a singleton ♠ since then it is more likely partner might have more.

Sean

[655321]

Agree with han

[aguahombre]

if this one isn't a 4c/1C (strong forcing artificial 1c), there isn't one. Rely on my mood swings whether to 4C/1S or just 2C

[mike777]

phil_20686, on Jan 12 2010, 10:48 AM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP

♠ xx ♥ A ♦ Qx ♣ KQT98xxx

At Unfavourable in the Camrose your RHO opens a strong club, what do you bid?

In the other room, your RHO opened 1S in a natural system, would you make the same bid now?

One is always told to preempt more aggressively over a strong club and I am interested if people will take different actions over the 1 Major opening instead of the strong artificial opening. Further there has been some argument among my friends over exactly how many clubs this hand is worth at adverse vulnerability.


PS, i Know most people would not platy a constrictive 2c bid over a strong club opener, but I am guessing many people stuill hav e a way to show this hand type by passing and then bidding for example.

4c pressure bid at the CAMrose....


2c over one spade.....pressure bid.

[Siegmund]

Any other vulnerability a clear 5♣. At unfavorable, I grit my teeth and force myself to bid only 4, over either opening.

[mich-b]

nigel_k, on Jan 12 2010, 02:31 PM, said:

Also 4♣ over 1♣ and 2♣ over 1♠.

I would never play 2♣ constructive over a strong 1♣ though. Just pass with good hands and bid to the limit immediately with weak hands.

Agree with the bids , and the advice..

[Fluffy]

mmm seems the majority goes for 2♣ over 1♠.

I went for 3♣ because ♠xx makes in unlikelly we have any game except maybe 3NT, and 3♣ gets it into the picture. Vul vs not, partner won't have much problems bidding 3NT when it is right.

Maybe I am downgrading too much for my spade holding.

If we don't have game 3♣ looks like a much better bid than 2♣.