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Do you open? Why?

Poll: Would you open? (51 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you open?

  1. Yes (19 votes [37.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.25%

  2. No (23 votes [45.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.10%

  3. It depends on... (9 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

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#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2010-January-09, 21:17

White vs red, dealer passes, you hold:

♠KT872
♥KQ8
♦K73
♣85

What's you call? Why?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

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Posted 2010-January-09, 21:41

I pass because my hand isn't very good.
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Posted 2010-January-09, 21:55

I mean, absolutely depends on what my partner expects for an opening bid obviously.

If this question is meant to ask "Do you think playing a style where this is an opening bid is a good idea in a standardish system" I would say it probably doesn't matter much at imps, but it's definitely a good idea in MP.

If this question is meant to ask "Do you open in a pickup partnership playing a standardish system?" I would say partner would not expect me to open this light since that is not standard, so I would pass at imps, but I would still open at MP because I think the gains outweigh the risks involved with misleading partner.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 00:34

In my non-Drury-playing partnerships this is a semi-mandatory opening, because we're going to have a rebid problem if we pass and partner opens 1♥. (If you do play Drury, there is a similar set of marginal hands with long clubs that open to avoid a rebid problem.)

Otherwise, looks optional and very borderline to me. If you do open make sure you've chosen your rebid after 1♠-2♣ and 1♠-2♦. If I am playing Drury I think I pass even at MPs.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 02:27

I would have opened as dealer w/r for nuisance. I wouldn't open like this, ty.

edit: just to clarify, I don't only open it in 1st seat and w/r. I'm sure I'd open it in other seats too but mainly when I'm NV.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 03:03

I would open this with my favourite partner, because we open 1NT 11-14 NV. We could open 1S, I suppose, but we must open something.

Again, it depends on what my agreements are.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 05:14

partnership style issue, in second position I don't open this crap.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 07:40

Hanoi5, on Jan 9 2010, 10:17 PM, said:

White vs red, dealer passes, you hold:

♠KT872
♥KQ8
♦K73
♣85

What's you call? Why?

...on who I am playing with and whether the system is built to handle an opening. IMO I don't think I can open this hand using any 2/1 system.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 08:29

sure.....again as others said....if that is our agreement, npp. I could even have a bit worse at this vul.

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Posted 2010-January-10, 09:18

What's wrong with leaving this hand to respond to partner's opener or delayed/
reopening 2S? I see nothing.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 09:30

This depends on the partnership agreements about openings in 2nd seat and the corresponding agreements for openings in 4th seat.

If it's agreed that 1♠ can be a weak opening, I prefer that.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 09:49

dake50, on Jan 10 2010, 04:18 PM, said:

What's wrong with leaving this hand to respond to partner's opener or delayed/
reopening 2S? I see nothing.

If you don't mind the obvious 3 reasons:

- Your 1♠ bid is quite preemptive and forces your LHO to risk an overcall on the 2 level opposite a passed partner.

- Partner might not open in 4th seat without a spade length. Since you have 5 ♠ he's less likely to have ♠ length.

- Opps might preempt aggressively in 3rd seat keeping your partner and you from entering the bidding.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 09:53

Jlall, on Jan 9 2010, 10:55 PM, said:

I mean, absolutely depends on what my partner expects for an opening bid obviously.

If this question is meant to ask "Do you think playing a style where this is an opening bid is a good idea in a standardish system" I would say it probably doesn't matter much at imps, but it's definitely a good idea in MP.

If this question is meant to ask "Do you open in a pickup partnership playing a standardish system?" I would say partner would not expect me to open this light since that is not standard, so I would pass at imps, but I would still open at MP because I think the gains outweigh the risks involved with misleading partner.

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Posted 2010-January-10, 13:41

Hi,

To open or not is first of all a systemic and a partnership agreement think.

We dont open such a hand.

The reason being, that my partner found out, that sub min strength openings dont
work well opposite me, ...,
but if you want a more serious argument, although this is also an important point,
which does not get mentioned often:

If you open 1S, you dont have a sensible rebid.

If you happen to play a weak NT with 11-14, and dont mind to have a 5 card major,
when you open 1NT, than I would say, go ahead.

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Posted 2010-January-10, 14:59

I would never open in 1st or 2nd seat playing a standard system. But I'm old and a wimp.
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Posted 2010-January-10, 16:14

obvious 9-11 NT lol
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Posted 2010-January-10, 16:30

If I open this, it would have to be with a 12-14 1N, and I don't like the fact that it's aceless and the intermediates while good are not stellar. Pass for me.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 07:53

let's see ..

pros:
boss suit

cons:
no aces
no shortness
two lonely kings

Overall I say pass. But if both pointy kings were spades, I would open B)
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Posted 2010-January-11, 08:09

25 Zars.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 09:18

Justin rules.... well said.
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