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Many spades in 4th seat

#1 User is offline   Ant590 

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Posted 2010-January-07, 05:51

So, after a quick check that my agreements for the auction:

(1♥) -- pass -- (pass) -- ?

weren't different from "standard" (see this thread), you hold the following hand in this position:

♠ KJTxxxx
♥ x
♦ Qxx
♣ xx

What do you call?

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Posted 2010-January-07, 06:06

1S.

You cant bid 2S / 3S, but since p may still have opening values,
you should bid.
Without the Queen of diamonds, I think you should pass, since now
the risk that you find opener with the big hand would be too bid.

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Posted 2010-January-07, 06:12

1S ofc
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Posted 2010-January-07, 06:22

Pard probably has a 12-14 balanced hand. I'll take a flier and bid 3♠. Not going to make it easy on LHO, who's prolly 17-18 or so, to bid 2/3m.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 07:30

1 ♠ what else?
And if I am forced to bid again later I rebid spades as weak as possible to show the weakest possible hand.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 07:35

I'd follow Uwe's path as well.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 07:52

1♠ then 4♠ over 2♥. What is the scoring and vulnerability anyway?
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 07:54

655321, on Jan 7 2010, 08:52 AM, said:

1♠ then 4♠ over 2♥. What is the scoring and vulnerability anyway?

oh I didn't see the hidden... obv bid game over 2H
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Posted 2010-January-07, 09:32

655321, on Jan 7 2010, 02:52 PM, said:

What is the scoring and vulnerability anyway?

Oh, it was IMPs and nil-all.

I'm glad to see the action at our table was ok. Partner did indeed have a balanced 14 count.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 10:13

whereagles, on Jan 7 2010, 07:22 AM, said:

Pard probably has a 12-14 balanced hand. I'll take a flier and bid 3♠. Not going to make it easy on LHO, who's prolly 17-18 or so, to bid 2/3m.

Didn't you say in another thread you play this as 10-14 with a 7 card suit?
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Posted 2010-January-07, 10:23

Ant590, on Jan 7 2010, 10:32 AM, said:

655321, on Jan 7 2010, 02:52 PM, said:

What is the scoring and vulnerability anyway?

Oh, it was IMPs and nil-all.

I'm glad to see the action at our table was ok. Partner did indeed have a balanced 14 count.

Partner did at least promise a min opener, i.e. a bal. 12-14 count with
secondary support is basically a min for his bidding.

I dont hate 4S, but I would not force to game wit my hand, facing a
weak NT, as I wrote before - one can argue, that a 3S response to
partners invite would show the hand we hold, ... although I am not
100% sure that everyone will agree.

The main question is, do you always jump with a min opener and a 6
card suit, regardless of suit quality?

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Posted 2010-January-07, 11:49

I think 1♠ then 3♠ after partner bids 2♥. I mean I understand the idea of blasting game and of making auctions simple, but I think if partner passes 3♠, we are probably high enough. Partner will have known he has passed initially over 1♥ and then made a good raise of my spades. What can 3♠ mean now other than "in the context of all that, do you like your hand?" If partner passes 3♠, I really don't think game will be that good. Well, that's at least my judgment.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 12:09

jdonn, on Jan 7 2010, 04:13 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 7 2010, 07:22 AM, said:

Pard probably has a 12-14 balanced hand. I'll take a flier and bid 3♠. Not going to make it easy on LHO, who's prolly 17-18 or so, to bid 2/3m.

Didn't you say in another thread you play this as 10-14 with a 7 card suit?

Yes I did.
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Posted 2010-January-07, 13:03

whereagles, on Jan 7 2010, 01:09 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 7 2010, 04:13 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 7 2010, 07:22 AM, said:

Pard probably has a 12-14 balanced hand. I'll take a flier and bid 3♠. Not going to make it easy on LHO, who's prolly 17-18 or so, to bid 2/3m.

Didn't you say in another thread you play this as 10-14 with a 7 card suit?

Yes I did.

Well bid it on any hands you want, I don't care of course. But why not be honest with yourself in the other thread and say you play it as 6-14, or whatever?
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Posted 2010-January-07, 13:06

Leave the poor guy alone Josh. :(
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Posted 2010-January-07, 13:08

Sorry, all the logic on the forums lately has been burning a hole in my eyeballs.
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Posted 2010-January-08, 05:38

hanp, on Jan 7 2010, 07:06 PM, said:

Leave the poor guy alone Josh. :P

i can take care of myself, thankyouverymuch :P
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Posted 2010-January-08, 05:41

jdonn, on Jan 7 2010, 07:08 PM, said:

Sorry, all the logic on the forums lately has been burning a hole in my eyeballs.

the logics is very simple: judgement first, conventions later. In this case I judge the tactical situation to be such that the (admitedly large) overbid of 3♠ will work better than the more normal 1♠, which offers opps no difficulties.
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Posted 2010-January-08, 05:45

1♠ wtp?

4♠ after 2♥. (Should a partner of mine bid 3♠ and be wrong, I would not nescesarily assign him all blame.)
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  Posted 2010-January-08, 14:40

I confess at the table I might trot out 3♠ just because of the lack of bids here.
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