[dcohio]

Scoring: MP

Bidding (opps silent):
1♣ - 1♦
1♥ - 3♦
3NT - ???

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Do you bid on?

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

As long as 3D is forcing, there is nothing to say against 3D, although
playing SAYC or 2/1 3D would be just inv. and NF.
But maybe, espesially after we know, how the auction developed ,
you would have been better of with a FSF seq, because if you find a club
fit, you wont be too sad, and the FSF seq. may have told you something
about openers strength - without add. agreements p could still hold a weak NT,
and than 3NT may well be the limit.
But you did show opening hand and 6 good diamonds, so 3D was ok.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[chasetb]

You know that partner doesn't have 17+, otherwise the 2nd bid would have been 2♥. Most probably partner is 3-4-1-5 or 4-4-1-4. You showed your strength, and partner shot you down by bidding 3NT. This should be a pass, unless you think partner has the hand below, then you should go on.
♠Axx ♥KQxx ♦x ♣AQxxx

[quiddity]

What are your agreements for the 1H bid? Does it guarantee 5 clubs?

[ggwhiz]

I would prefer a 2 spade bid (artificial game force) instead of 3 diamonds.

Your pard has room to show 5+clubs, bid 2nt or whatever. Most likely, you can bid 3 diamonds next and accept partners lack of interest should they bid 3 notrump in comfort.

[kenrexford]

quiddity, on Jan 6 2010, 04:02 PM, said:

What are your agreements for the 1H bid? Does it guarantee 5 clubs?

Good question. (In fact, the way I play, 1♥ promises 5+ clubs but does not necessarily promise four hearts.)

That said, let's give partner a typical hand.

♠AQx ♥Kxxx ♦x ♣QJxxx. Opposite that hand, the four-level is probably safe, but the hand could be worse.

♠AQx ♥Axxx ♦x ♣AJxxx. Opposite that hand, slam may be better than 50-50, but that's a really big perfecto hand.

Just don't think it's close enough to try a 4♣ call. Slam might be there, but too remote to check.

[dcohio]

The 1♥ bid would not guaranteed 5+♣. We open convienient minors, so this hand could have been 4=4=2=3. I may suggest that we start playing the other way though, as a 1♣-1♦ sequence should deny 4 cards in either major as with a 4 card major, responder would bid it instead of 1♦.


at the board, I did take about a minute to decide between 6NT and pass. 3NT made 7 on a bad lead by defender leading x from Axxx♠ dummy's J♠ holding the trick. Fortunately, nobody found the slam and 520 was a split top between 4 out of 7 pairs.

From there, we took 6 diamonds, 5 clubs and AK♥

Partners hand was

Scoring: MP

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[Fluffy]

Even playing walsh, to me at least, 4414 is still very likelly.

I can understand reopening with 4♣, specially if playing walsh, so partner will quickly reject with 4. I don't think slam can be any good if he doesn't hold 5♣. But that will be my last effort.

[Winstonm]

Quote

(In fact, the way I play, 1♥ promises 5+ clubs but does not necessarily promise four hearts.)

Please see my response in the Official BBO Hijacked Thread Thread.

[jdonn]

I hate pass, partner's hands were tied on almost any hand with a spade stopper. It's very easy to imagine there being slam after he bids both of our fragments and our long suit needs no support. I'll try 4♣. If he bids 4NT over that I'll finally shut up.

[EricK]

I think you have to bid on as you are a couple of tricks better than you might have been for this sequence (I presume you'd bid the same way with ♦x instead of ♦K)

But slams are so much easier to bid if you use Strong Jump Shifts!

[mike777]

alternative start:

1c=1d
1h(walsh)=2d(xyz)
2s=3c

Now I think opener will get excited.

alternative is if you play 3d over 1h again as xyz, single suited slam try.

[hanp]

dcohio, on Jan 6 2010, 05:04 PM, said:

I did take about a minute to decide between 6NT and pass.

If you can't decide between bidding slam and passing, I would suggest inviting slam.

[MTSummit]

mike777, on Jan 7 2010, 08:12 AM, said:

alternative start:

1c=1d
1h(walsh)=2d(xyz)
2s=3c

Now I think opener will get excited.

alternative is if you play 3d over 1h again as xyz, single suited slam try.

agree, i like 2D as game forcing xyz in this case

[Fluffy]

I disagree, if you bid XYZ you will better show diamonds the next round, not clubs.