[wank]

Kx
Q10x
Axx
QTxxx

All vul

2D - 4D - 5D to you

[OleBerg]

5♥ wtp?

[aguahombre]

6H

[wank]

OleBerg, on Nov 30 2009, 12:41 AM, said:

5♥ wtp?

1 response later and the problem was found. you do have quite a good hand, even for a free 5 level bid. anyway, this isn't the real point. a few more replies and i'll explain.

[Poky]

wank, on Nov 30 2009, 02:36 AM, said:

Kx
Q10x
Axx
QTxxx

All vul

2D - 4D - 5D to you

Assuming there is a difference between 3♦ and 4♦, the later should show more shape and less points. Let's say, some hand like: QJxxx(x)-AKxxx(x)-?-?. For that reason I bid only 5♥.

[P_Marlowe]

5H.

In the end, you can only answer this, if you know partner.
X, 5H and 6H are all valid answers, ..., depending on what partner
on average need to make a 5H bid.
I was tempted to add Pass to the list, ..., but this would be a out of
space partnership.

And if you know p, the answer is a wtp.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[hatchett]

5♥.

4♦ has not set up a forcing pass for me.
With a ♦ void and 5/5 majors partner may have stretched
to make a descriptive call on the first round.

[gnasher]

It would be normal to bid 4♦ on AQJxx AKJxx x xx, wouldn't it?.

[ArtK78]

I play 3♦ as bid 3NT with a diamond stop, so there is certainly a difference between 3♦ and 4♦, just not the difference referred to by Poky.

I bid 5♥. I don't see how you can confidently bid slam, and the opponents have left you with a guess without any room to do anything other than guess.

[wank]

this hand came up in the english premier league, which is effectively the english trials. it's a league, not a knock-out so random punts have less merit than normal.

i would bid 5♥ too, albeit unhappily.

the bid chosen at the table was 7♥. partner had AQxxxx Akxxx x A. with a few sporting major suit breaks 7♥ proved to be cold.

what's your reaction?

[aguahombre]

Again....this has come up before.....there was a thread which discussed agreements after a weak 2D. It is best that you have some. It is important to have more than one way to show both majors. Also some hands might just overcall 2S and hope to show hearts later.

The old thread, perhaps 3 or 4 months ago, included several posters who use both 3D and 4D as Majors, and leaping Michaels for clubs and undisclosed Major. One person also used 4H/2D in conjunction with the other bids.

IF you do use both 3D and 4D, it makes sense for 3D to be limited so your side can stop below game. Using 3D for a stopper ask might come in handy in vary rare instances, But in some of those cases, a double, then further action (including delayed cue) might lead partner to discover his diamond stopper all by himself.

[Poky]

wank, on Nov 30 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

the bid chosen at the table was 7♥.  partner had AQxxxx Akxxx x A.  with a few sporting major suit breaks 7♥ proved to be cold. 

what's your reaction?

I would report this hand to the director in charge and to any disciplinary committee above him. Also, I would publish this hand in some kind of forum, with all names included, clearly.

Would not tell anything to the guy who bid that, except if he insists to have a conversation with me, during my director-call (they usually do, this kind of people isn't smart enough to remain quiet).

What else you can do?

[aguahombre]

Slow down, Poky. The 7H bidder was blasting and got lucky. Would you call the Director if 4D bidder had one more heart in (say) AQXXXX AKXXXX - X? You first have to know their meaning of 4D vs other bids, and you are a long long way from saying the 4D bidder was able to show his exact holding by some unauthorized means. With my example, would you only call the director if your pard led a non-club?

[gnasher]

wank, on Nov 30 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

what's your reaction?

That they play their 4♦ bid stronger than I do.

[gnasher]

Poky, on Nov 30 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

What else you can do?

You could stop assuming that because someone doesn't bid like you do they must be cheating.

[jdonn]

Poky, on Nov 30 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

I would report this hand to the director in charge and to any disciplinary committee above him. Also, I would publish this hand in some kind of forum, with all names included, clearly.

I would say LOL if it wasn't so sad and frightening that you actually would do this. Um, get a life?

[Poky]

gnasher, on Nov 30 2009, 09:41 PM, said:

Poky, on Nov 30 2009, 09:09 PM, said:

What else you can do?

You could stop assuming that because someone doesn't bid like you do they must be cheating.

I didn't say it's a must, but it is a possibility. That is the reason I wanna report the hand to the director. It is not my job to do the investigations. But I feel it is my duty (as an opponent) to put this hand to the light, as a matter of prevention. Sorry if you feel uncomfortable with this idea.

[kenrexford]

Wow.

I agree that bidding 7♦ was a flier, but I think I might bid 6♦, myself, and partner would surely bid 7 with his hand.

Report this, though?

If 2♦-3♦ is Michaels and 2♦-4♦ is "Super Michaels" or something, then aggressive bidding makes a lot of sense here.

[aguahombre]

ken...a little editing?