[Fluffy]

♠AQ106
♥Q96
♦A62
♣1084


1♦-(2♣)-X-(pass)
3♥-(pass)-???


2♠ the round before would had been No forcing.

[helene_t]

If 4♣ is CoG I bid that. Otherwise 4♦.

I suppose 3♠ is out as that would show 5+.

[mikeh]

While Ed Manfield (I think) wrote some very good material on CoG cuebids, many years ago in the BW, and while I think that in theory this is an excellent spot and use for one, I don't play with anyone who would take it that way. I think everyone I play with would take it as a slam try...neutral as to a control in clubs, but the only way to force to game below game, and unambiguously agreeing on hearts, for now at least.

I would bid 4♦. It has to be forcing: if one lacked the hand to force, one would (should) either have passed 3♥, or bid 3♠ now, or bid 2♦ last time (one does not negative double with 4=2=4=3 8 counts in my book...bid 2♦ and hope for more bidding if we have a spade fit).

[Fluffy]

Since 2♥ would be non forcing I thoink 4♣ would be a strong heart raise rather than COG.

[pooltuna]

Fluffy, on Nov 27 2009, 07:03 PM, said:

♠AQ106
♥Q96
♦A62
♣1084


1♦-(2♣)-X-(pass)
3♥-(pass)-???


2♠ the round before would had been No forcing.

4♥

[jdonn]

4♦ by process of elimination has to show something like this, given my default agreement that 4♣ is a heart raise. If partner is like 3442 with 18, we will just have to play 4♥.

[dake50]

9 could neg X at 2-level. I have 3= one trick more. I try 4D to announce double fit and no Q-bid 4C as 0-1C.

[gnasher]

jdonn, on Nov 29 2009, 03:01 AM, said:

4♦ by process of elimination has to show something like this, given my default agreement that 4♣ is a heart raise.

How would you bid with A10xx Jxx Kxxx xx?

[jdonn]

gnasher, on Nov 29 2009, 04:56 AM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 29 2009, 03:01 AM, said:

4♦ by process of elimination has to show something like this, given my default agreement that 4♣ is a heart raise.

How would you bid with A10xx Jxx Kxxx xx?

Are you trying to catch me into thinking 4♣ has to be a choice of games?

If I thought I was worth game I'd bid 4♦, if I didn't I would pass.

[P_Marlowe]

Even if 2S would have been forcing, I doubt I would have bid 2S.
2S should show a 5 carder.

Similar, if I now bid 3S, this showes a 5 carder, ..., of course 2S
forcing would imply, that 3S now would be at best values.

As it is, I am still bidding 3S, hopefully in time.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[gnasher]

jdonn, on Nov 29 2009, 08:14 PM, said:

Are you trying to catch me into thinking 4♣ has to be a choice of games?

If I thought I was worth game I'd bid 4♦, if I didn't I would pass.

Maybe if you're strong enough to double without both majors you're strong enough to play in game once partner shows a good hand.

[jdonn]

gnasher, on Nov 29 2009, 03:20 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 29 2009, 08:14 PM, said:

Are you trying to catch me into thinking 4♣ has to be a choice of games?

If I thought I was worth game I'd bid 4♦, if I didn't I would pass.

Maybe if you're strong enough to double without both majors you're strong enough to play in game once partner shows a good hand.

Ok, maybe true. I guess I just don't see where you were going with your original question then...

[gnasher]

jdonn, on Nov 29 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

Ok, maybe true. I guess I just don't see where you were going with your original question then...

I didn't know where I was going with my original question. It was just a question

[Codo]

I would bid 3 Spade.

If partner raises me with 3451 or a similar hand spades may be better then hearts or diamonds. If he bids 3 NT I am fine too.

If he bids 4 Clubs, I try 4 Diamond.
Over 4 Diamond I try 5.

For his bidding partner should be unbalanced because he cannot have a balanced hand and jump to 3 HEart (He did not open 1 NT..). So we need to find out where his shortness is. 3 Spade does this job better then 4 Diamond or any other choice.

[Fluffy]

Certainly the 4-3 spade game would had been better than the 4-3 heart game I played. The problem is that partner might raise you on doubleton.

I had

♠Jx
♥AK10x
♦KJ109xx
♣x

4♥ made on some kind of dummy reversal losing just 1 spade 1 heart and 1 club.