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#1 User is offline   Little Kid 

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Posted 2009-November-25, 16:53

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The auction was:

2-(2NT)-4-(5)
P - ( P ) - X - (5)
P - ( P ) -5 -(P )
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1) Do you agree with opening 2?
2) Do you agree with pass over 5?
3) Do you agree with pass over 5?
4) What do you bid now?
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Posted 2009-November-25, 17:01

1) Yes.
2) Yes. You have no idea what partner has for his 4 call.
3) Yes. I suppose an argument could be made for a double, but pass seems right.
4) Uh, 5.

Partner is not looking for another place to play the hand. But he does want a heart lead if the opponents bid one more time.
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Posted 2009-November-25, 17:06

This is damn weird.

OK. For this to make sense, partner seems to have a diamond void, long hearts, and something interesting in diamonds. He seems to have made a practical call of 4 with hope that the diamond fit would never be found. But, Advancer picked a suit anyway, and he picked clubs. That's really weird.

I mean, I suppose that my LHO may have a wildly unbalanced hand with both minors. Maybe 7-5? Advancer would then have 4-4 in the minors and just tried clubs, pulling after the double.

Or, maybe 5 was funny, planning all along to pull to 5, but desiring a club lead? I mean, that's the kind of sexy thing I'd try, but who else does that? And at these colors and this level?

I'm still not sure what is going on here. I'll bid 5 out of fear.

EDIT: After just seeing Art's explanation, I think he's right. This is just a 5 call with a heart lead-director, probably.
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Posted 2009-November-25, 18:39

Little Kid, on Nov 25 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

Dealer: South
Vul: Both
Scoring: IMP
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The auction was:

2-(2NT)-4-(5)
P  - ( P ) - X - (5)
P - ( P ) -5  -(P )
?

1) Do you agree with opening 2?
2) Do you agree with pass over 5?
3) Do you agree with pass over 5?
4) What do you bid now?

1) yes
2) pass is mandatory
3) see 2)
4) you don't have whatever it is that he needs so 5
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Posted 2009-November-25, 18:47

He is probably asking for a heart lead against 6. In the meantime, bid 5.

Edit: oops Art said this already.
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Posted 2009-November-25, 19:53

I am probably too old fashion, both conservative and pessimistic. I would not open 2S vulnerable. It is way too easy to go for 800 on this hand. I don't have an offensive hand. I am flat. I can hope for at most 4-5 spade tricks. If partner contributes 2-3 tricks in 2S doubled, that decreases the chance they actually had a game, and -200 is a huge lose in MP and some lose in IMPs. If partner is going to be the one bidding, partner has a right to expect a better hand from me at this vulnerability. Besides, I know what to lead if we are defending.

I pass over 5C. This is not even a forcing pass.

I pass over 5D. I stated my hand with my first bid and nothing has changed.

5H is not remotely any type of slam try. There are lots of ways partner could have shown a great hand with slam interest, and 4S over 2N is not one of them. 5H is a lead direct against 6D? Which opponent will be bidding 6D do you think? The only other bid I would expect from the opponents at this vulnerability is DOUBLE.

5H is surely an alternate contract based on a Good Suit. Great hearts, club values, and diamond shortness sounds like partner's hand. With such a hand, partner might no even have 3-card support for spades with the minors stopped [Club values & diamond shortness] plus a source of tricks in hearts. I have Txx in hearts. I have zero reason to believe 5S is any better then 5H. And, as a bonus, we are not doubled YET in 5H!

I pass 5H.
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Posted 2009-November-25, 20:33

Yes, a normal 2S opener.
Yes, partner is boss of our side auction after I open a weak two.
Yes, ditto.
5S, I see no reason to Pass 5H and don't see any oter possible action than 5S.

This all seems pretty straightforward.
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Posted 2009-November-25, 23:55

Agree that this is just a lead director on the way to 5S.
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Posted 2009-November-26, 02:12

#1 yes
#2 yes
#3 No, I would say the X by partner basically creates a FP, and
given my flat shape, I dont want to play 5S.
#4 5S

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