[bluecalm]

Hi all,

I hold : AJTxx xx Qxx xxx

Bidding :
2♦ (weak) - double - pass - 2♠
pass - 3♦ - pass - ???

Now I have bid 3♠ hoping that partner will bid 3NT with ♦ stopper, cuebid with real monster and bid 4♠ with nothing special; To my surprise partner passed which was obviously not good for us.

My question is : how do you play enemy suit after t/o double at this level ? Is it forcing to game ro just one round ? Same would apply in the bidding :

2♥ - double - pass - 2♠
pass - 3♥

All thoughts/comments/info about your favourite or expert partnerthips agreements are welcome

[TylerE]

2♠ shows a bad hand (I personally will jump here with an average 8 count), so I don't see why it really shocks you that 3♠ gets passed. 3♦ showed, depending on agreements, either a good hand, or a good hand without a ♦ stop, and all you could was retreat to your suit?

Bottom Line: The cue is only a one round force.

[helene_t]

Yeah, partner typically has a 3424 with 18+ points. What else can he bid with such a hand?

Bid 4♠, you haven't shown your 5th spade yet and your diamond holding is not good enough to bid 3NT.

[vuroth]

You've shown, what, 0-8 HCPs and 4+ spades? Given that, you're (practically) a monster.

3♠ told him you were at the low end of that range.

4♠ for me, too.

3♦ was a 1 round force. You could be so, so much worse than what you have.

[bluecalm]

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Yeah, partner typically has a 3424 with 18+ points. What else can he bid with such a hand?

I am not saying it's good or bad agreement but 3-4-2-4 18pc is not really a problem. Partner can just bid 3♠ invitational. I will bid 3nt with only 4spades and ♦stopped and if I don't have ♦ stopper then ♠ is the only game to play anyway;

[andy_h]

Agree with Helene.

[pooltuna]

bluecalm, on Nov 25 2009, 09:38 AM, said:

Hi all,

I hold : AJTxx xx Qxx xxx

Bidding :
2♦ (weak) - double - pass - 2♠
pass - 3♦ - pass - ???

Now I have bid 3♠ hoping that partner will bid 3NT with ♦ stopper, cuebid with real monster and bid 4♠ with nothing special; To my surprise partner passed which was obviously not good for us.

My question is : how do you play enemy suit after t/o double at this level ? Is it forcing to game ro just one round ? Same would apply in the bidding :

2♥ - double - pass - 2♠
pass - 3♥

All thoughts/comments/info about your favourite or expert partnerthips agreements are welcome

to quote one of the more frequent posters "lol 4♠ obv"

[helene_t]

bluecalm, on Nov 25 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

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Yeah, partner typically has a 3424 with 18+ points. What else can he bid with such a hand?

I am not saying it's good or bad agreement but 3-4-2-4 18pc is not really a problem. Partner can just bid 3♠ invitational.

No. If you have a 0-count with 4-4 majors, you will bid 2♠ first (in order to anticipate partner's 3♦ bid), then partner bids 3♦ with his 3424 18-count, now you bid 3♥ and partner passes.

2♠-3♦
3♥-pass.

He will never (or almost never) raise your spades directly with 3-card support.

[peachy]

Bid 4S instead of 3. Partner cannot see through the cards and you could easily have had a really bad hand and 4-card spades, instead of this maximum, for the 2S call.

[aguahombre]

And not to worry about pard having less than 3 spades. He had other bids available without 3-card support. 4S is clear.

[Phil]

4♠.

BTW, 3♠ doesn't even promise four

[Codo]

With 5 working points, despite the nice 5 card suit, 2 Spade was fine.
But 3 Spade was a crime.

Partner can have some possible hands for 3 Diamond, but 4 Spade cares for alll of them and shows what I have.

[Jlall]

4S