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#1 User is offline   MarkDean 

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Posted 2009-November-21, 23:15

Scoring: MP


(P) 1♠ (P) 1NT
(P) 3♠ (P) ?

1. Do you agree with 1NT = semi-forcing?
2. What now?
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Posted 2009-November-21, 23:26

1N is fine unless you open sound.

I bid 4C now, what else would I do?
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Posted 2009-November-22, 02:24

Agree with Justin.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 02:46

Agree with 4♣ now , but would not bid 1NT, this is a GF hand for me.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 08:20

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Posted 2009-November-22, 09:20

If you bid 4♣, pd bids 4♦. If over that you bid 4♥ (not last train), partner bids 4♠.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 09:35

MarkDean, on Nov 22 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

If you bid 4♣, pd bids 4♦.  If over that you bid 4♥ (not last train), partner bids 4♠.

I keep going. I have THREE ACES!!! This is the best slam hand I could have on the auction so far, unless maybe I had some better spots and a third trump? Any of those might have made me GF this though, especially the 3rd trump.

I can totally envision us needing to play a diamond slam, btw. Can I bid 6♦ choice of slams? IDK
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Posted 2009-November-22, 09:41

4♦ empathetic splinter.

if somehow you don't play them yet, you have to bid 4♣ and 4nt after 4♦.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 10:08

MarkDean, on Nov 22 2009, 12:15 AM, said:

Scoring: MP


(P) 1♠ (P) 1NT
(P) 3♠ (P) ?

1. Do you agree with 1NT = semi-forcing?
2. What now?

well the choice look like 3NT or 4♣ [is anyone really going to play this as natural?]. 3NT is only a consideration because it is MP but IMO you need to qbid 4♣ and hope partner has a no wasted values singleton♦
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Posted 2009-November-22, 10:58

I would not bid 1NT, I accept that we will sometimes get to a poor game but this hand has too much potential.

Agree with 4C now.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-November-22, 16:45

I wouldn't have bid 1NT.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-November-24, 08:08

#1 well, we open sound, but due to lack of alternatives, 1NT is
fine, but I am used to play a forcing NT.
#2 4C, since p showed 6, I dont promise 3 card support.
I wont force to slam, but I make a move.

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Posted 2009-November-24, 08:09

MarkDean, on Nov 22 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

If you bid 4♣, pd bids 4♦. If over that you bid 4♥ (not last train), partner bids 4♠.

Hi,

I am giving up.

I made a serious push toward slam, my bidding showed 2KC, so
thats it.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2009-November-24, 09:22

Obvious to continue over 4♠.
Slam is playable opposite some 2♠ rebids eg KJxxxxx Kxx Ax x, so I can hardly give up after a 3♠ rebid.
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Posted 2009-November-24, 10:55

For those who wouldn't have bid 1N....what would you have bid instead?

I mean, I can understand how one might consider a hand with 3 Aces to be gf in value...but bridge is a dialogue, not a monologue. If we bid 2♦, partner will be encouraged if holding, say, Qx or QJx...holdings that in fact are not upgradable at all. It is a useful rule, in constructive bidding, that when we make a 2/1 natural new suit gf call, we should have at least 5th round control in the suit.

If I were going to 2/1, it would be via 2♣. As it is, I am with the 1N crowd. That way, I am not distorting suit quality or length...and am not making a serious underbid unless playing Roth-Stone
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