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#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2009-November-08, 06:26

Scoring: IMP

1-3-??

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Posted 2009-November-08, 07:13

cnszsun, on Nov 8 2009, 07:26 AM, said:

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1-3-??

Depends on your opening bid style. With a partner who will open any 11 it is probably okay NV to just bid 3 otherwise you just have to guess 3NT
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Posted 2009-November-08, 08:14

Ezy 3N. Good thing we can hold up the clubs.
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Posted 2009-November-08, 08:29

3D --discussed and agreed in my reg partnership as real --not the same as the stretch if the auction were 1M (3C) 2M.

I am sure there are good arguments why this agreement is wrong, but we are sticking to it.
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Posted 2009-November-08, 09:06

aguahombre, on Nov 8 2009, 09:29 AM, said:

3D --discussed and agreed in my reg partnership as real --not the same as the stretch if the auction were 1M (3C) 2M.

I am sure there are good arguments why this agreement is wrong, but we are sticking to it.
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hmmm I thought this was a countable reason :(
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Posted 2009-November-08, 09:42

3NT may be wrongsided, but in the absence of an agreement that 3 shows invitational values, I don't see what choice you have.

By the way, even if 3 does show invitational values, partner may be hardpressed to find a good call without a club stopper.
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Posted 2009-November-08, 11:20

3N!!!!! Always.

Please don't wuss out on hands like this.
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Posted 2009-November-08, 13:41

Hate that I'm wrongsiding it but still gotta do it.
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Posted 2009-November-08, 14:05

3nt.

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Posted 2009-November-08, 14:39

3 transfer to 3NT.
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Posted 2009-November-08, 14:44

jdonn, on Nov 8 2009, 01:39 PM, said:

3 transfer to 3NT.

great idea. I don't have to play it :P, and when he raises I can still bid 5D and still don't have to play it.
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Posted 2009-November-11, 18:51

It makes lots of sense to play transfers after all interference of partner's 1-suit opening: you can make both negative free-bids and forcing bids at the same time with none of the drawbacks of negative free-bids but all of the benefits. And when you have a normal forcing bid, you get extra room, as well as the overcaller usually being on lead against the final contract. It also solves this problem, you can make your partner declarer with his queen of clubs :-)
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Posted 2009-November-11, 18:57

Quantumcat, on Nov 12 2009, 12:51 AM, said:

It makes lots of sense to play transfers after all interference of partner's 1-suit opening: you can make both negative free-bids and forcing bids at the same time with none of the drawbacks of negative free-bids but all of the benefits. And when you have a normal forcing bid, you get extra room, as well as the overcaller usually being on lead against the final contract. It also solves this problem, you can make your partner declarer with his queen of clubs :-)

Of course, transfers are generally better than the current standard treatments, although few play it nowadays. It also allows you to transfer to 3NT with weak stoppers or even not stopper but want to gamble that partner may hold one.
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Posted 2009-November-12, 04:34

Quantumcat, on Nov 11 2009, 07:51 PM, said:

It makes lots of sense to play transfers after all interference of partner's 1-suit opening: you can make both negative free-bids and forcing bids at the same time with none of the drawbacks of negative free-bids but all of the benefits. And when you have a normal forcing bid, you get extra room, as well as the overcaller usually being on lead against the final contract. It also solves this problem, you can make your partner declarer with his queen of clubs :-)

Then you need another way to raise diamonds if 3 shows 5 hearts. Not to mention 3 getting doubled for the lead. Transfers are good but not worth a t-shirt.
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