[gwnn]

indy, you don't know your partner much (but this is live bridge and people had to pay for entry). it's MP.

all white:

xxxx
x
xxxx
xxxx

1♦-p-p-4♥
x-p-?



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all red:

Kxx
x
xx
AQxxxxx

(2♥)-?

would you do something else when favorable or something?

[ochinko]

Edit: Read it wrongly.

1. 4♠

2. Pass

[gwnn]

Sorry, edited the layout to make it a bit less confusing.

[manudude03]

1. Pass, hope partner has it beat in his own hand- pretty much a guess.

2. 3C always.

[gnasher]

(1) 4♠ (though my first reaction was 5♦). I don't expect partner to be 4243 - he just shouldn't be bidding with that - so it's a question of how likely he is to be 3154, 3064, 3055, etc rather than 4153, 4054, 4144, 4063. He's more likely to have four spades thna not, so 4♠ it is.

(2) 3♣. If I don't bid, partner might not be able to, and it's unlikely to be right to defend 2♥.

[OleBerg]

1) 4♠. Take-out doubles shpuld be taken out.

2) Pass. I'll probably regret it real soon.

[Fluffy]

1) its just a guess, but since passing is an easy choice and bidding I have to guess the strain, lets bet for the pass.

2) pass for sure.

[655321]

1) 5♦, don't feel strongly about this. Pass or 4♠ might be right.

2) 3♣, do feel strongly about this, I think passing is very bad.

[jdonn]

1. 4♠, I really don't see passing as being right in the long run. If partner is some balanced 19 or something without heart shortness then of course he should pass instead of doubling. 5♦ could be right though.

2. Wow this hand will generate a lot of controversy I guess. I really feel passing is right. Sorry for starting this way, but its the 3 level vul and we have 9 points. If we overcall partner is going to bid 3NT a lot of moderate hands without a real club fit and we could go down quite a lot of tricks vul. Also while the 7 card suit of course affords some protection against being doubled, the weakness of the hand makes me much more likely to be doubled and I feel more than offsets that. For example if lho has some 4144 11 count with KJTx of clubs he will pass, but if he has the same hand with a 16 count he will double.

Somehow I can see a certain jlall laughing at me for not bidding but I really don't like it.

[Jlall]

Isn't this an indy? I would insta pass board 1. Maybe if it was a forum indy I would play the X to not be penalty.

Just because all the forum experts can pass happily with a hand they know will beat 4H, 99 % of the other people cannot.

[Jlall]

jdonn, on Oct 18 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

Somehow I can see a certain jlall laughing at me for not bidding but I really don't like it.

Actually don't have super strong feelings, but I would bid. The quick trick combos give us enough D + enough possible tricks in 3N that I like it. I could see it going 2H p 3H p p 4C when we can make 3N for instance, or 2H p p p when we can make 3N, or 2H p 4H p p p when we make 4S or 5C. But obviously bad things can happen too.

I used to pass way more than most people over preempts with weakish hands and my experience was pretty good with that. But obv I don't pass anymore ever

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 Pass
#2 3C

With kind regards
Marlowe

[nigel_k]

1. 4S. Very close though. If you pass you are essentially betting that partner has misbid and I hate to do that if the alternative has any merit at all. Also, if partner is bad enough to double with four defensive tricks and nothing else, they are bad enough to double when they think they have four tricks but actually only have three.

2. 3♣. I bid more than most people in these situations so no problem for me. Obviously we might concede a penalty or partner may bid 3NT and go down when 2♥ would also have failed. But I don't think this is more common than the hands we gain. I would even prefer to bid 3♣ and pull partner's 3NT to 4♣, rather than pass throughout.

[jdonn]

Jlall, on Oct 18 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

Isn't this an indy? I would insta pass board 1. Maybe if it was a forum indy I would play the X to not be penalty.

Just because all the forum experts can pass happily with a hand they know will beat 4H, 99 % of the other people cannot.

True I didn't know it was a random indy, auto pass the first one then.

[gwnn]

For those who bid 4♠ it will go

1♦-p-p-4♥
x-p-4♠-p
p-X-?

[the hog]

Pass both. Agree with J.L. in that I would bid 4S with a regular partner.

[pooltuna]

gwnn, on Oct 17 2009, 01:55 PM, said:

indy, you don't know your partner much (but this is live bridge and people had to pay for entry). it's MP.

all white:

xxxx
x
xxxx
xxxx

1♦-p-p-4♥
x-p-?



----------------------------------------------



all red:

Kxx
x
xx
AQxxxxx

(2♥)-?

would you do something else when favorable or something?

I am passing both. The second one because it just feels too much like a preempt/preempt

[Codo]

I had bid 4 Spade and passed the 2. double (and hated myself for bidding 4 spade, but I would still not believe that 5 diamond plays better.

I had passed the second hand.

[gnasher]

gwnn, on Oct 19 2009, 12:03 AM, said:

For those who bid 4♠ it will go

1♦-p-p-4♥
x-p-4♠-p
p-X-?

I bid 5♦ now.

[gwnn]

1. Partner has

AK
x
AKQTxx
QJxx

5♦ is 2 off on a club ruff but the table I kibbed the guy with AKxx of clubs lead the ace and switched, 4♠ is pretty bad but I'm not good at analyzing 4-2 fits. 4♥ makes.

2. If you do indeed bid it will go

2♥-3♣-3♥-3NT
p-p-x-p
p-?

edit: I guess this 4-2 fit isn't so hard to analyze, they get 3 trumps and a heart and two clubs for -500