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#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2009-October-05, 12:51

Scoring: IMP

1♣-1♠-P-2♣
3♣-4♠-AP

Agree with both of your passes? What's your lead and is it close?

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Posted 2009-October-05, 13:03

♥Q, not close.
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Posted 2009-October-05, 13:08

♥Q. I can give you lots reasons why it could be wrong, so its a lead I would not automatically make. Frankly, someone could probably convince me that its wrong.

But I would make the lead and not think too much about it ATT.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 02:17

Not close: The queen.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 07:28

This was on vugraph (England trials) btw...RHO was 6052 and there was Kx club and AKxxx heart in the dummy...of course the commentators had some things to say about my heart lead, including "a club will win the post-mortem" and "not leading a club is depriving partner of his good result for his 3♣ bid" :rolleyes:
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Posted 2009-October-06, 08:25

MickyB, on Oct 5 2009, 01:51 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♣-1♠-P-2♣
3♣-4♠-AP

Agree with both of your passes? What's your lead and is it close?

I am not a big fan of bridge hara-kiri so yeah I am passing. You don't rate to be in the lead often so if you can lead thru something you need to do it now. The Q♥ now is more likely to get you in the lead for an if needed ♦ or ♣ than vice versa.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 10:28

i was about to say this auction suggests to me that rho has a weak distributional hand, quite possibly based around a 6-4-30 or similar hand. After all, his partner has made an unlimited forcing raise and he had many bids available to investigate slam. I then reason that this may be your one and only chance to lead a heart through dummy's king. I would rate rho to have a stiff or void club 80+% of the time.

I guess this is the right conclusion on teh wrong hand :rolleyes: - he was weak and distributional, just void in the wrong suit. Knowing this, perhaps there is a subtle inference in that rho is likely to have omre diamonds than hearts, given that some hands would dble, bid micheals, investigate a heart fit etc.

Still i am happy with my heart lead.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 17:38

MickyB, on Oct 6 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

This was on vugraph (England trials) btw...RHO was 6052 and there was Kx club and AKxxx heart in the dummy...of course the commentators had some things to say about my heart lead, including "a club will win the post-mortem" and "not leading a club is depriving partner of his good result for his 3♣ bid" :D

They should have said "punishing partner for his poor 3♣ bid." Once you know partner has 6 or more clubs, you only benefit by leading a club when the clubs are specifically AQxxxx with partner and doubleton king in dummy (plus a few layouts where their clubs are 2-2, they have a 2nd round loser, and the heart lead blows a critical tempo).
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Posted 2009-October-06, 18:25

It's so obvious that declarer is more likely to have a heart void than a club void! Mike!
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Posted 2009-October-06, 18:39

I lead a club so partner won't be deprived of any good result from his 3♣ bid. It also sets me up well for the post mortem. Now I will go back and read the comments in this thread.
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Posted 2009-October-06, 19:35

Hmm...are there any hands where you would decline to bid 3♣ in order that your partner lead one? :)

I didn't think it at all close at the table, and I still don't, but some pretty good players have told me that they think it is. *shrug*
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Posted 2009-October-06, 20:40

I don't think it is close at all.
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