[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

1♦ - (1♥) - P - (P);
?

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What's the gameplan?

[Quantumcat]

Maybe double, then if pard bids a spade, bid 2♦ to say I was just checking if you had a trap pass. He won't say 2♠ or else he would have been good enough to bid 1♠ the first time.

[Hanoi5]

Double and then clubs over spades. When partner bids diamonds I'll raise that.

[pooltuna]

Echognome, on Sep 30 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♦ - (1♥) - P - (P);
?

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What's the gameplan?

WHACK!!! to be followed by a ♣ bid over 1 or 2♠

[mike777]

Echognome, on Sep 30 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♦ - (1♥) - P - (P);
?

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What's the gameplan?

1) I will start with x
2) my best guess is pard will pull and i will rebid something.

[Codo]

I do not dream of a penalty pass from partner, but my hand is too strong for 2 club and has the wrong shape for 3 of a minor.

So I join the X then clubs crowd.

[Fluffy]

yep, double

[maggieb]

Maybe you should post low level decisions in the B/I forum.

I would double, planning to bid clubs next.

[andy_h]

Double. We can still have game on if partner had the awkward hand that had no spades or a heart stopper. In that case the opponents will have some spades but then we must have a fit or two in the minors. With this decent hand it'd be unlucky if this balances the opponents to a making 4♠ but RHO's silence over his partner's 1♥ should preclude that.

[gnasher]

Does double followed by 2♣ show extra values, or might it just be a 2254/2155 13-count, catering for partner's penalty pass?

[Phil]

gnasher, on Oct 1 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

Does double followed by 2♣ show extra values, or might it just be a 2254/2155 13-count, catering for partner's penalty pass?

We had a similar thread on this subject a few years ago. I thought it showed an offshape minimum double, but I was outvoted.

[Fluffy]

I think it shows extra strength, you just live with your offshape doubles at the 1 level.

[aguahombre]

andy_h, on Oct 1 2009, 08:47 AM, said:

Double. We can still have game on if partner had the awkward hand that had no spades or a heart stopper. In that case the opponents will have some spades but then we must have a fit or two in the minors. With this decent hand it'd be unlucky if this balances the opponents to a making 4♠ but RHO's silence over his partner's 1♥ should preclude that.

excellent, unless a neg double would have denied spades--in which case game is remote. However, RHO's silence does increase the possibility of a trap by partner.
Double is still the answer. Remembering another tread, could partner have J-ninth of spades and out?

[jdonn]

Phil, on Oct 1 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

gnasher, on Oct 1 2009, 09:43 AM, said:

Does double followed by 2♣ show extra values, or might it just be a 2254/2155 13-count, catering for partner's penalty pass?

We had a similar thread on this subject a few years ago. I thought it showed an offshape minimum double, but I was outvoted.

Who makes offshape takeout doubles at the 1 level on minimum hands? 1♦ 1♥ p p you are doubling on a minimum 1264?!

[nige1]

Echognome, on Sep 30 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♦ - (1♥) - P - (P);
?What's the gameplan?

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_X then, over 1♠, 2♦.

[Phil]

jdonn, on Oct 1 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

Who makes offshape takeout doubles at the 1 level on minimum hands? 1♦ 1♥ p p you are doubling on a minimum 1264?!

I think the pattern might have been 5422 with a 2♣ overcall on your left. The question was "does pulling 2♦ to 2♥ implies extras?".

I suppose you could switch the suits to 2542 (1♠ overcall), or 2254, or even 4225.

[jdonn]

IMO you have to leave partner in your doubleton if you double on those and he bids it, but ok now I understand.

[awm]

I'd just bid 2♣ here.

If partner has a trap pass then opponents have a huge spade fit, and they will likely find it if I double. I'm much more concerned that partner has a bad hand with a lot of spades and will jump opposite my double (say JTxxxx of spades and out, which might make game opposite a good 4144 hand but is awful opposite my real hand).