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There was a another thread very recently about takeout doubles with 4-3-3-3 hands.
Are you worth a takeout double here?
Would you balanced with the east hand?
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Posted 2009-August-18, 16:35
* Hearts and another weak.
There was a another thread very recently about takeout doubles with 4-3-3-3 hands.
Are you worth a takeout double here?
Would you balanced with the east hand?
Wayne Burrows
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Posted 2009-August-18, 16:47
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Posted 2009-August-18, 16:52
I might double 1♥. No way I'm doubling 2.
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Posted 2009-August-18, 17:04
I wouldn't double 2♥ or 1♥ with the east hand. I would bid 2♠ with the east hand against all but the very best opponents.
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Posted 2009-August-18, 21:48
No.
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Posted 2009-August-19, 00:38
I'd usually double 1H with the West hand but definitely not 2H. At MPs, I'd balance 2S as East (and end up playing 3S).
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Posted 2009-August-19, 01:17
Lobowolf, on Aug 19 2009, 12:04 AM, said:
I would bid 2♠ with the east hand against all but the very best opponents.
I'm not sure that the best way to cope with strong opponents is to let them play the hands at a low level.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-19, 01:20
I think that doubling 2♠ with the West hand is dreadful; doubling 1♠ would merely be awful. The East hand is a minimum for a balancing 2♠.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-19, 01:25
I'd double 1♥ for sure and 2♥ never. I'd pass it out in 2♥ from East (and wouldnt pass it out in 1).
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Posted 2009-August-19, 01:30
I would never double, but I would reopen with 2 spade at mps with the east hand.
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Posted 2009-August-19, 02:26
West : pass
East : 2♠
Whatever the scoring is.
To let opponents play fitted at the 2 level is a clear losing strategy on the long term.
And those who are afraid of being doubled are also afraid to double a partial at IMPs.
IMPs and MP are not that different for such situations. As long as you have a reasonable chance of making your contract, you should bid.
Only if 2♥ were facing a passed partner, I would reconsider balancing that one because they may be missing a game.
East : 2♠
Whatever the scoring is.
To let opponents play fitted at the 2 level is a clear losing strategy on the long term.
And those who are afraid of being doubled are also afraid to double a partial at IMPs.
IMPs and MP are not that different for such situations. As long as you have a reasonable chance of making your contract, you should bid.
Only if 2♥ were facing a passed partner, I would reconsider balancing that one because they may be missing a game.
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Posted 2009-August-19, 04:17
oxyde, on Aug 19 2009, 08:26 PM, said:
West : pass
East : 2♠
Whatever the scoring is.
To let opponents play fitted at the 2 level is a clear losing strategy on the long term.
And those who are afraid of being doubled are also afraid to double a partial at IMPs.
IMPs and MP are not that different for such situations. As long as you have a reasonable chance of making your contract, you should bid.
Only if 2♥ were facing a passed partner, I would reconsider balancing that one because they may be missing a game.
East : 2♠
Whatever the scoring is.
To let opponents play fitted at the 2 level is a clear losing strategy on the long term.
And those who are afraid of being doubled are also afraid to double a partial at IMPs.
IMPs and MP are not that different for such situations. As long as you have a reasonable chance of making your contract, you should bid.
Only if 2♥ were facing a passed partner, I would reconsider balancing that one because they may be missing a game.
Who says they are fitted necessarily when they open 2♥?
You can only tell this from looking at all four hands.
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
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Posted 2009-August-19, 05:20
No, not X'ing
Yes, 2♠ balance at pairs
Yes, 2♠ balance at pairs
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Posted 2009-August-19, 06:29
I hate the idea of 2♠ but maybe that just means I don't play enough pairs - or at least concentrate on it enough.
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I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-August-19, 06:34
What is it that Eric Kokish says of pairs - it's not really bridge, or words to that effect 
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Posted 2009-August-19, 06:46
Cascade, on Aug 19 2009, 05:17 AM, said:
Who says they are fitted necessarily when they open 2♥?
You can only tell this from looking at all four hands.
You can only tell this from looking at all four hands.
Of course you don't know.
But you have some "evidences" as you are short and weak with no honnor.
Your partner is supposed to have some values there. So :
- either your partner is also short and they have a fit (if they have a 9 cards fit we mathematicaly have a 8 cards fit somewhere [most probably ♠...])
- or he has no stopper as he could have found a NT bid (yes, provided he his strong enough, but we are weak). So worst case is 4 small ♥, but in such a case they have a concentration of ♥ honnors and the Law should be adjusted with 1 total trick more => I guess balancing will also probably be right.
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Posted 2009-August-19, 06:49
Do you balance 1♥ with East hand ?
As partner is more inclined to have a stronger hand at the 2 level, then it should be right to balance with same hands.
As partner is more inclined to have a stronger hand at the 2 level, then it should be right to balance with same hands.
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Posted 2009-August-19, 07:42
I am sure I'd reopen 2♠ at MPs, maybe even at IMPs.
partner woud then bid 3♥ to show a great raise wich we quickly reject.
partner woud then bid 3♥ to show a great raise wich we quickly reject.
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Posted 2009-August-19, 08:05
Never double over 1♥ or 2♥ with the West hand.
East might balance over 2♥; however, I don't see why he would get the chance - North should bid 3♥. That will buy the contract.
East might balance over 2♥; however, I don't see why he would get the chance - North should bid 3♥. That will buy the contract.
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Posted 2009-August-19, 08:13
Cascade, on Aug 18 2009, 05:35 PM, said:
Scoring: MP
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* Hearts and another weak.
There was a another thread very recently about takeout doubles with 4-3-3-3 hands.
Are you worth a takeout double here?
Would you balanced with the east hand?
While this meets my criterion for a TOX of 1♥. It does not meet my criterion for a TOX of 2♥ and no I would not balance with the East hand
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