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When would you balance opposite a passed partner BOTH, IMPs - P (P) 1C (3D) P (P) ???

Poll: What is the weakest hand you will balance? (34 member(s) have cast votes)

What is the weakest hand you will balance?

  1. [_SP]QJ52 [HE]A965 [DI]--- [CL]KT632 (2 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  2. [_SP]K952 [HE]A965 [DI]--- [CL]KT632 (4 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  3. [_SP]A952 [HE]A965 [DI]--- [CL]KT632 (9 votes [26.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.47%

  4. [_SP]AJ52 [HE]A965 [DI]--- [CL]KT632 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. [_SP]AQ52 [HE]A965 [DI]--- [CL]KT632 (6 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  6. [_SP]AK52 [HE]A965 [DI]--- [CL]KT632 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. All of the above (13 votes [38.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.24%

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#1 User is offline   WesleyC 

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Posted 2009-August-16, 23:00

Both Vul @ IMPs

The auction starts:

P (P) 1 (3)
P (P) ???

You hold:

HH65 A965 --- KT632

Assume that Double and Pass are your only options!

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Posted 2009-August-17, 00:09

D-void makes this mandatory reopen. Even S-QJxx. Won't like convert for penalties but even that isn't hopeless if I trust partner.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 00:54

Axxx at least, otherwise I have severely sub par defence.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 10:02

AQxx

Good opps wont go for -500 here. Partner passed hand neg X isnt forcing to game. So i dont expect too much values for partner.
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Posted 2009-August-17, 10:38

benlessard, on Aug 17 2009, 04:02 PM, said:

AQxx

Good opps wont go for -500 here

opponents don't knw that the suit is 5-0 when they bid :).

Good opponents should not know, ok, sometimes they know but you shouldn't assume it :).
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Posted 2009-August-17, 15:11

Definitely double on all of the above.

Apart from being likely to work on the hand, I want partner to feel very comfortable passing with a decent hand and length in their suit. In this case I also happen to have useful cards for defence if he passes. With something like QJxx QJxx - KQxxx I would start to get nervous.
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Posted 2009-August-18, 00:08

Dbl with all of them. And indeed Dbl and Pass are the only options, anything else is [you pick the ugly adjective].
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Posted 2009-August-19, 00:05

I used to double in auctions like this with just about any hand that has a void. But after chatting to a few top players I've become slightly more conservative.

The first problem with doubling on a weak hand is that partner, looking at a pointy card or two and a few trumps, will pass too much. 3Dx will rarely be more than 1 off, and sometimes it will make. The second problem is that the weaker we are, the stronger partner rates to be. With 8-11 HCP partner will force to game every time - sometimes with 3NT! Often it will be theoretically right to double (ie 3D= & 3M=) but we can never realize that gain, ending up minus in 4M or 3NT instead.

Doubling light can hit the jackpot. If partner has nothing wasted in diamonds and a 5c Major, 4M will usually have play. However on some of those hands, partner might stretch to make a negative double (or the opps might raise diamonds) so some diamond wastage seems likely. Interestingly, if the auction started P (P) 1C (3D) P (4D) X there is an even better chance that 4M is playable.

Improving the spades slightly to Axxx makes a huge difference. The Ace is often worth a whole extra trick on defense so all of partner's marginal penalty passes are now (at least) beating the contract. If partner has a rock +500 is a possibility. But most importantly when partner has a 5c Major, game is just about always a reasonable shot and often its completely cold.

My feeling is that while doubling on QJxx is close, Passing with Axxx is a significant mistake.

QJ = Not quite enough.
K = Probably good.
A = Clear Double.

At the table partner passed with A9xx. Double would've got us to 5C on a (probably losing) trump guess but 3D was making so 5C is certainly where you want to be.
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Posted 2009-August-20, 07:52

If your partner with

Axxx
Axxx
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KTxxx

had good chance to make 5C than you should have made a negative double with your hand or bid 3M to show 5M + 3/4 clubs

I can assure you that Axxx isnt a clear double nor a mistake.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2009-August-20, 10:30

I think partner's actual hand was roughly:

Qx QJT Txxx AJxx

Are you doubling on that?
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Posted 2009-August-23, 23:44

Yep, im a passed hand and i have 10 working pts. My hand cannot really be better than what it is. Over 3M ill probably try 3Nt but 4C is ok too.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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