[Jlall]

xx Kxx AKQJxx xx.

w/r imps, you are third seat:

p p 1N p
2C p 2D p
2N p ?

1N 15-17, 2N doesn't promise a major.

[Phil]

I don't have this problem. I think these 6 card minor 1N's have gone too far.

I'll bid 3N. 3♦ will not help partner evaluate. Pass is possible, but the chances of making 9 seems reasonable enough, especially since the defense will misjudge my hand.

[hrothgar]

I suspect that if we're making 2NT then we're making three...

Mark me down for an aggressive 3NT

[shyams]

Partner may have a 7-8 count, and we could have 7-8 tricks. Even if the opening lead gives us a trick, it may be necessary to give up the lead once to develop the 9th trick

I pass and hope for a push board

[cherdanno]

Clear pass in my opinion.

[Apollo81]

I think 1NT is fine, and passing 2NT is horrible. In notrump, this is a 1 or 3 hand. My personal preference is to bid a nonforcing 3♦, but I wouldn't do this if I didn't trust partner to pass it (and I wouldn't trust most people).

[cherdanno]

Apollo81, on Aug 10 2009, 03:43 PM, said:

I think 1NT is fine, and passing 2NT is horrible. In notrump, this is a 1 or 3 hand. My personal preference is to bid a nonforcing 3♦, but I wouldn't do this if I didn't trust partner to pass it (and I wouldn't trust most people).

Heh I guess we strongly disagree
I think 3♦ is terrible as it gives aways all edge that might come from them misdefending (give partner KQ of spades and the ♥A, for example). Further, if partner passes, I don't think it is a better contract than 2N.
Also, I don't think this is a 1 or 3 hand. They will have 5 top tricks quite often. Many other times, we will have a stopper in the suit they lead, plus an ace with partner, along with our 6 diamond tricks.

[kenrexford]

You have three options, IMO.

Option #1: Pass, and show that you are wasting space at the table. Men are all in.

Option #2: Brazen. Bid 3NT. You are not down yet.

Option #3: Science. Any bid except 3NT is a notrump probe. Obviously, a long minor and need for stoppers. So, bid controls up-the-line. 3♦ ostensibly shows a diamond control but not a club control. Technically, you MIGHT have a running major, but this sounds a lot like real diamonds. If partner passes (no club control either), fine -- don't do this with a running major next time. If partner bids 3♥ or 3♠ or 3NT, play it. (If partner bids 3♥, spades are wide open, but they will not lead spades, probably -- bid like a man eventually, dammit.)

My option is #3, considering that you are likely on a team where people care what you do. 3♦ has the most up-side and seems to stand out. If you are called a chicken, claim science.

[karlson]

Love the 1N. Good time for a 2♦ rebid but unfortunately we've already used that card.

If 3♦ is nonforcing, I would do that for sure. Otherwise pass. I think that for 3N to make we will probably need the wrong lead and maybe a little more luck later, I can't imagine it being good double-dummy.

Also more than occasionally 3N will go down several tricks, which adds up when you're red. (edit: sorry, just remembered we are white, so ignore that part).

[Apollo81]

cherdanno, on Aug 10 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

Heh I guess we strongly disagree

Yup.

Consider a typical hand for partner: Kxxx AJx xx Txxx. There will usually be 5 top losers (at least), but a spade or heart lead is a lot more likely than a club lead on this auction, and on those leads, 2NT is never the right contract.

[Echognome]

I pass 2NT. At white, I don't think we need to push for the bonus as much.

[aguahombre]

I didnt open 1NT to be clever, I opened 1NT because I have a lot of tricks. If partner were an unpassed hand and invited slam in notrump, I would accept. Opposite a passed hand, I am content to accept an invite or go along with whatever pard wants to do. Maybe not going along with a doubling sequence.

[OleBerg]

I'll go for Rexfords 3♦.

Had I been red, 3NT would be a wtp. (For me).

[cherdanno]

Apollo81, on Aug 10 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Aug 10 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

Heh I guess we strongly disagree

Yup.

Consider a typical hand for partner: Kxxx AJx xx Txxx. There will usually be 5 top losers (at least), but a spade or heart lead is a lot more likely than a club lead on this auction, and on those leads, 2NT is never the right contract.

True, there are many hands like that, but note that you gave partner two out of three honors in the one side suit where we have an honor. If he has strength in the black suits instead, or s.th. like one honor in every side suit, 2N will very often be better than 3N I think.

[Hanoi5]

If partner holds 2 aces I might make 3. I guess it depends on how lucky I'm feeling, but having already opened 1NT on this I'm going all the way.

[nigel_k]

cherdanno, on Aug 10 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

I think 3♦ is terrible as it gives aways all edge that might come from them misdefending (give partner KQ of spades and the ♥A, for example). Further, if partner passes, I don't think it is a better contract than 2N.

Also, I don't think this is a 1 or 3 hand. They will have 5 top tricks quite often. Many other times, we will have a stopper in the suit they lead, plus an ace with partner, along with our 6 diamond tricks.

Agree with this. Maybe 3♦ is not terrible but 2NT figures to make more often. It's not a 1 or 3 hand - we just won't have nine tricks very often.

[peachy]

Would 1NT-2C-2D-2H/2S promise invitational with only four cards in the bid major? Meaning, 2NT not only doesn't promise a 4-card major but actually denies holding one?

Anyway, I think bidding anything over the invite is accepting the invite so 3D shouldn't be nonforcing. However, if I now bid 3D, I will have destroyed any potential advantage of opening 1NT with this hand by telling the opponents too much, so I need to either bid 3NT or Pass. 3NT for me.

[Fluffy]

This hand screams 3NT, we will probably go 2 off, but hopefully undoubled.

[Free]

Bidding 3♦ seems quite useless to me. If you're going to make that, you'll probably manage to make 3NT as well. So why not take the bonus while we're at it...

(I don't like the 1NT opening with a side K)

[pooltuna]

Jlall, on Aug 10 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

xx Kxx AKQJxx xx.

w/r imps, you are third seat:

p p 1N p
2C p 2D p
2N p ?

1N 15-17, 2N doesn't promise a major.

You made your bed now follow through and sleep in it; 3NT