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Posted 2009-August-11, 13:10
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Posted 2009-August-11, 13:18
My dad had this hand and passed 2N and went +120. The other table opened 1D and got to play 2D which is down 1.
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Posted 2009-August-11, 16:47
Jlall, on Aug 10 2009, 03:04 PM, said:
xx Kxx AKQJxx xx.
w/r imps, you are third seat:
p p 1N p
2C p 2D p
2N p ?
1N 15-17, 2N doesn't promise a major.
w/r imps, you are third seat:
p p 1N p
2C p 2D p
2N p ?
1N 15-17, 2N doesn't promise a major.
Pass and take your profit. A brave 3N venture may work on a good day but the risk is not an extra undertrick - it is that an opponent may wake up and double, undermining all your early enterprize.
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Posted 2009-August-11, 18:00
If this is maximum for your 15-17 1NT what does a minimum (with six diamonds) look like?
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
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Posted 2009-August-12, 01:24
Cascade, on Aug 12 2009, 01:00 AM, said:
If this is maximum for your 15-17 1NT what does a minimum (with six diamonds) look like?
2NT doesn't say "Are you maximum?", it says "Should we be in 3NT?"
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-12, 03:31
Passing make no sense, our 6th diamond is almost worth an ace. Nobody would pass 2Nt with
xx
KQJ
AKQJT
xxx
yet our hand is better than this.
The main point of the hand is what is our upside to compensate the information that we will give to the opponents ?
1- is it possible that 3D is a much better contract than 3Nt and if so will we reach it ?
2- is it possible 5D is a better contract than 3Nt and if so can we reach it.
I think its clear that the information you will give to the opps is more costly.
So 3Nt.
xx
KQJ
AKQJT
xxx
yet our hand is better than this.
The main point of the hand is what is our upside to compensate the information that we will give to the opponents ?
1- is it possible that 3D is a much better contract than 3Nt and if so will we reach it ?
2- is it possible 5D is a better contract than 3Nt and if so can we reach it.
I think its clear that the information you will give to the opps is more costly.
So 3Nt.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 04:10
Pass.
The right evaluation imo. There will a lot of 120's out there, so 2NT is ok.
The right evaluation imo. There will a lot of 120's out there, so 2NT is ok.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 09:40
Ben seems to have nailed it, at least IMHO. Would be interested in what the actual hand was, where 2NT made exactly 2, Partner had a legitimate invite, and 2D at the other table went down. Lall Senior is a quality player, assume quality partner and opponents in the IMP event.
Assume also that he calculated the IMP odds. His gain of 6 or 7 on this particular hand was certainly a good result.
Assume also that he calculated the IMP odds. His gain of 6 or 7 on this particular hand was certainly a good result.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 09:54
MFA, on Aug 12 2009, 05:10 AM, said:
There will a lot of 120's out there, so 2NT is ok.
Only one 120. Its teams.
I would pass at MPs.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 12:15
aguahombre, on Aug 12 2009, 10:40 AM, said:
Ben seems to have nailed it, at least IMHO. Would be interested in what the actual hand was, where 2NT made exactly 2, Partner had a legitimate invite, and 2D at the other table went down. Lall Senior is a quality player, assume quality partner and opponents in the IMP event.
Assume also that he calculated the IMP odds. His gain of 6 or 7 on this particular hand was certainly a good result.
Assume also that he calculated the IMP odds. His gain of 6 or 7 on this particular hand was certainly a good result.
I *think* it was KJ9x xxxx Tx Axx in dummy.
LHO underled the heart ace vs 2N. My partner did not underlead the HA vs 2D and AQ of spades were off.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 14:30
gnasher, on Aug 12 2009, 07:24 PM, said:
Cascade, on Aug 12 2009, 01:00 AM, said:
If this is maximum for your 15-17 1NT what does a minimum (with six diamonds) look like?
2NT doesn't say "Are you maximum?", it says "Should we be in 3NT?"
And this happens on what range of hands?
On what basis do you decide whether you should be in 3NT?
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-August-12, 14:42
Cascade, on Aug 12 2009, 09:30 PM, said:
gnasher, on Aug 12 2009, 07:24 PM, said:
2NT doesn't say "Are you maximum?", it says "Should we be in 3NT?"
And this happens on what range of hands?
On what basis do you decide whether you should be in 3NT?
It's plausible to bid 3NT on any maximum, and also any hand with a solid 6-card minor that was systemically a 1NT opening. I'm not saying that I do follow that approach, but it's not illogical to do so.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-August-12, 14:44
Cascade, on Aug 12 2009, 03:30 PM, said:
gnasher, on Aug 12 2009, 07:24 PM, said:
Cascade, on Aug 12 2009, 01:00 AM, said:
If this is maximum for your 15-17 1NT what does a minimum (with six diamonds) look like?
2NT doesn't say "Are you maximum?", it says "Should we be in 3NT?"
And this happens on what range of hands?
On what basis do you decide whether you should be in 3NT?
I imagine partner having a balanced 8 count and decided whether we will more likely gain IMPs in 3NT or in 2NT.
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Posted 2009-August-12, 16:28
Phil, on Aug 12 2009, 05:54 PM, said:
MFA, on Aug 12 2009, 05:10 AM, said:
There will a lot of 120's out there, so 2NT is ok.
Only one 120. Its teams.
I would pass at MPs.
Sorry. Actually, what I meant was that there are many layouts out there that will lead to 120. I did notice the form of scoring.
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