[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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You play some kind of standard american, not 2/1:
1♠-(2♣)-2♦-(3♣)
Pass-(Pass)-3♦-(Pass)
??
2♦=forcing
3♦=non-forcing
Do you agree with opening this hand 1♠ and passing the 2nd round. Do you pass 3♦ or bid 3♥ to show your ♥'s.

[hrothgar]

1. I would not open this hand playing 2/1 GF
2. I agree with passing over 3♣ the previous round
3. I am happy to pass 3♦ this round

[se12sam]

I would not open this hand normally

Passing 3♦ now

[kgr]

hrothgar, on Aug 2 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

1. I would not open this hand playing 2/1 GF

See OP. Not 2/1..you open then?

[hrothgar]

kgr, on Aug 2 2009, 07:55 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Aug 2 2009, 06:37 PM, said:

1.  I would not open this hand playing 2/1 GF

See OP. Not 2/1..you open then?

I would probably still pass; however, opening is a bit more tempting

[inquiry]

I would open this hand.

There was no discussion, what would a double of 3♣ by partner have been in this method?

I am not ashamed of opening, nor am I afraid of bidding now because I have "overbid". I have a reasonable opening hand and game is still possible. Thus, I would certainly willing to bid 3♥ now IF this was IMPS, I would do so. This is matchpoints, however, so I will pass and hope that a plus score is good enough rather than bidding 3♥ to get at a possible, but on the minimum 3♦ rebid unlikley game.

[Winstonm]

If partner cannot back in with a double, I see no reason to do anything but pass the non-forcing 3D bid.

The disparity between the suits adds another reason to open the bidding in my best suit rather than pass and try to show a 2-suiter later.

I agree with the pass of 3C.

[gwnn]

I think I like 1♠ and 3♥. I just can't see how defending 3♣ will be a good pairs score. I have a singleton, I will rather play in a dubious game than defend 3♣.
I agree with Ben though that at pairs pass is more desirable than IMPs.

If you passed 3♣, pass is clear now.

[pooltuna]

np on auction but after a nonforcing 3♦ it is time to bail out

[kgr]

inquiry, on Aug 2 2009, 07:13 PM, said:

There was no discussion, what would a double of 3♣ by partner have been in this method?

DBL of 3♣ would have been take-out

[ONEferBRID]

"Do you agree with opening this hand 1♠ ...? "

Rule-of 20 advocates would say yes and
ZAR pointers would say yes:

Briefly ZAR points is:
i) HCPs (usual 4321) plus
ii) honor HCP (2 for each A and 1 for each K) plus
iii) "shape" points (length of 2 longest suits+ (length of longest suit - length of shortest suit))

(that is it takes into account both extra points for A and K and shape)


If 26 or more then open.

♠ AKQ43
♥ JT873
♦ 76
♣ 8

HCP = 10
honor HCP = 3
shape points = 5 + 5 + 5 - 1 = 14
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ZAR points = 27
Just enough

[andy_h]

One of the easiest openings ever. You have 5-5 majors, all values in both suits and it's NV. I would have bid 3♥ over 3♣ to bid out my shape - my philosophy is to not be so pedantic about showing full blown values in competitive auctions. Shape is key, especially when it's 5-5 majors. As the fallback, at least we have ♦xx if partner insists on more diamonds.

[Cascade]

If I open this hand then after partner makes a 2/1 response I automatically rebid 3♥ in competition.

[mike777]

Cascade, on Aug 2 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

If I open this hand then after partner makes a 2/1 response I automatically rebid 3♥ in competition.

rebid 3h...I do not think this is easy......far from easy.....

[ochinko]

I open 1♠ and I bid 3♥ over 3♣. I guess I misclicked when I passed, so now I pass again. At least I am sure we have a ♦ fit. My partner wouldn't rebid a 5 cards suit, and at level 3 it should be solid too, yet 5♦ would be quite a stretch even for me.

[kgr]

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1♠-(2♣)-2♦-(3♣)
Pass-(Pass)-3♦-All Passs
 
3♥ would have been better then 3♦ (but I think you can only stop in 3♥ if you first pass over 3♣)

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 1S is fine, you could have a worse hand
#2 pass over 3C is fine, at one point in time you should
tell p, that you have a min, 3H would be gf
#3 pass it out

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cascade]

kgr, on Aug 3 2009, 08:47 PM, said:

3♥ would have been better then 3♦ (but I think you can only stop in 3♥ if you first pass over 3♣)

The reality is that I am not going to cater my methods to stopping in a part-score when I open the bidding and partner makes a strength showing 2/1.

[the hog]

I don't think the hand is worth 2D with the stiff QJ.

[inquiry]

The_Hog, on Aug 3 2009, 06:21 AM, said:

I don't think the hand is worth 2D with the stiff QJ.

Agree....