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This hand certainly caused a 'difference of opinion' at the table.
West opens 4S, passed around to you.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 04:04
This hand certainly caused a 'difference of opinion' at the table.
West opens 4S, passed around to you.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 04:18
5H. Double is a possibility, but you are probably going to end in H anyway.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 04:24
I'd make a takeout double, which gives us the extra chance that partner will leave it in, and also gives us a chance to reach diamonds.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-July-17, 05:37
I will give us our best chance to reach hearts. Im my preferred methods this would be by bidding 5 Heart.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 09:04
I'd double, to keep most possibilities open.
If partner takes it out, we'll either play in 5♥ or some slam.
If partner takes it out, we'll either play in 5♥ or some slam.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 09:33
DOUBLE!!!
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Posted 2009-July-17, 10:19
double.
(Not quite as emphatic as jdonn)
(Not quite as emphatic as jdonn)
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2009-July-17, 13:50
Feegle, on Jul 17 2009, 05:04 AM, said:
Scoring: IMP
This hand certainly caused a 'difference of opinion' at the table.
West opens 4S, passed around to you.
double.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 18:36
Double.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 22:34
5♥. Double will be the call of choice for BBF, but this hand is just too offensive for me.
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Posted 2009-July-17, 22:47
Phil, on Jul 17 2009, 11:34 PM, said:
5♥. Double will be the call of choice for BBF, but this hand is just too offensive for me.
offensive to me, also....the 5h call.....but i surely understand that would be some people's choice. double is also offensive, but perhaps less so, hence double and take that route to a minus, instead.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 06:49
If you double then most likely this will end up in 4♠x= or 4♠x-1
If it is down 2, i want to be in 5♥
If pard bids 5♦ over X... oh well, you got a bit lucky, but i dount expect it to be such an improvement.
5♥ -- well i doun't expect to make it too often, but there are good chances that they woun't double.
Strong feelings about this.
Admittedly i do sometimes double with similar hands, but this is not the case.
If it is down 2, i want to be in 5♥
If pard bids 5♦ over X... oh well, you got a bit lucky, but i dount expect it to be such an improvement.
5♥ -- well i doun't expect to make it too often, but there are good chances that they woun't double.
Strong feelings about this.
Admittedly i do sometimes double with similar hands, but this is not the case.
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Posted 2009-July-23, 11:42
5♥
This hand may not be as valuable on defence as a double might suggest...partners tend to leave these doubles in with flat hands, not expecting 6=4 over here.
If he has a yarb, then they may make an overtrick on a bad day. Of course, that -690 may be better than we do in 5♥.
But he may leave it in with a smattering of high cards and nowhere to go: say a 3=3=4=3 hand... would you take it out with Jxx xxx KQxx xxx, as an example?
As for finding diamonds... if your partners frequently bid 5♦ on these hands, may I suggest you buy lottery tickets? With that kind of luck, you'll be rich very soon.
If he does take it out, he'll usually bid either 5♣ or 4N. Over 4N are we really going to bid diamonds?
And if we were partner and heard us pull either 5♣ or 4N to 5♥, wouldn't (shouldn't?) we expect a better/different hand than this?
This hand may not be as valuable on defence as a double might suggest...partners tend to leave these doubles in with flat hands, not expecting 6=4 over here.
If he has a yarb, then they may make an overtrick on a bad day. Of course, that -690 may be better than we do in 5♥.
But he may leave it in with a smattering of high cards and nowhere to go: say a 3=3=4=3 hand... would you take it out with Jxx xxx KQxx xxx, as an example?
As for finding diamonds... if your partners frequently bid 5♦ on these hands, may I suggest you buy lottery tickets? With that kind of luck, you'll be rich very soon.
If he does take it out, he'll usually bid either 5♣ or 4N. Over 4N are we really going to bid diamonds?
And if we were partner and heard us pull either 5♣ or 4N to 5♥, wouldn't (shouldn't?) we expect a better/different hand than this?
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Posted 2009-July-23, 19:48
5H. Fairly close to double though.
Agree with MikeH about the offensive/defensive ratio - partner will leave the double in too often.
Not so pessimistic about double finding a diamond fit - 5D by partner over double is a very real possibility. Also don't agree partner will expect something very different if I double and pull 5C to 5H. He'll just expect a bit more defence.
Agree with MikeH about the offensive/defensive ratio - partner will leave the double in too often.
Not so pessimistic about double finding a diamond fit - 5D by partner over double is a very real possibility. Also don't agree partner will expect something very different if I double and pull 5C to 5H. He'll just expect a bit more defence.
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