[gwnn]

Qxx
Ax
AKQTxx
Jx

ATx
Jxxx
xx
AQxx

1♣-2♦
2NT-3♦
4♦-4NT
5♥-6NT

we were the only pair out of the whole junior or girl series bidding to any other contract but 3NT.

2♦ is defined as SJS, 16+ with a good suit. What would you say the best definition of the bid should be?

[aguahombre]

perhaps if the south hand is an opening bid in your style, then the bottom range for a SJS should be raised.

[cherdanno]

North should rather raise 2NT to 3NT. Definitely he shouldn't blast rkcb over 4D, he has a minimum SJS. This is a very basic mistake.

South might bid 3NT instead of 4D, but with xx support and two aces opposite a SJS I think that is wrong.

[goodwintr]

Ditto Cherdano. 2D, then 3NT, would seem to describe the hand exactly, given the stated methods.

[kenrexford]

I think there are a lot of places for slow-down.

I don't think 3♦ is necessarily the problem bid. A plausible auction:

1♣-2♦
2NT-3♦
3♠(spade control, no heart control)-3NT(only mild interest)
Pass

When looking through the auction, this was what I would have expected with these hands, so the 4♦ call took me by surprise. I mean, presumably 2NT was more open than 3NT would be?

[jmcw]

I think both can share the blame. South had a reasonable 3♠ available/3♦. But, probably N should call 3NT at their 2nd turn. For me its 75/25

[Codo]

Csaba,

you have many accealerators in your system but no brakes. THis will just work till the first turn.
As Arend pointed out, North MUST limit his hand. In normal methods this is easily done by a 3 NT bid at his second turn. And when 3 ♦ was the bid to show a weak hand ( I do not know your methods), the south has an easy 3 NT rebid.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I like SJS, so no other suggestion, we play WJS, works ok as well.

1C - ok
2D - ok
2NT - ok, I would assume, that it showes a bal. hand, given that
you play 15-17, it would be either 12-14 or 18-19
I dont think the bid should be made with 5-4 and 15-17
3D - no, you have basically 17HCP and a good 6 carder, partner
already knowes 16HCP and a good 5 carder, if he has 18-19
he will move on
4D - reasonable given the control richness, still not limited
4NT - no, you dont know, if spades are open, bid 4H, this also allowes
p to clarify, if he has 12-14 or 18-19
5H - ok
6NT - ok, endplayed

=> I agree with all of South bids, and disagree with 2 of Norths bids,
hence 99% for North and 1% for South.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[skjaeran]

North has a clear 3NT rebid over 2NT, there's no reason to make another slam try with this minimum hand.

[ArtK78]

I have always believed that a strong jump shift followed by a rebid of the suit shows a 100% solid 7 card or longer suit and designates the suit as trump (I suppose it is possible that the suit might only be 6 in length, but it still must be 100% solid). So, I do not like the 3♦ rebid on AKQTxx.

Therefore, it seems that a 3NT rebid by North is the only reasonable rebid, and the 3♦ rebid is primarily responsible for getting too high on this hand.

That is not to say that South is blameless if the partnership methods allow for a strong jump shift on a hand this "weak." South should be looking to slow down the bidding.

I would prefer to give 90% to North and 10% to South, as the 3♦ bid was the primary reason the partnership got too high; however, of the choices provided in the poll, I choose 75% for North and 25% for South, since South is not blameless.

[jdonn]

The bid I dislike most is 3♦. But south should bid a major over that too, not bypass 3NT.

Edit: Seeing the next post I should include 4NT in my votes, but I figured by then the damage had already been done.

Also seeing the next post, LOL at criticizing 2♦.

[Jlall]

4N was the worst. 2D was the second worst. 3D was the third worst. 4D was the fourth worst.

[Cascade]

Jlall, on Jul 14 2009, 03:22 AM, said:

4N was the worst. 2D was the second worst. 3D was the third worst. 4D was the fourth worst.

Disagree 2♦ was fine. Well it was fine assuming that this is the partnership's methods.

To me unless there was some specific agreement about 4♦ showing or denying extra strength then north just marched forward without ever hearing of any extra values from south.

4NT the worst

The 2nd worst depends on the methods. 3♦ is a candidate if this should have shown a better suit/hand. 4♦ is a candidate if a probe for 3NT or cue-bid in a major should have been preferred. And as stated above 2♦ is only bad if it violates the partnership's requirements for a jump shift.