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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2009-July-13, 07:27

1♦-1♥-x-p
1NT-2♦-p-3♥

1♦ was 2+, 10-15 and X promised 4 spades. 1NT was some 11-13 hand with a heart stop. Partner had 3 different ways to raise hearts here (2♦, 2♥, 2NT). 2♦ was unambiguously agreed as natural.

What hand can partner have here?! Does vulnerability/scoring matter?

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Posted 2009-July-13, 07:45

Impossible. I'm sure kenrexford will tell us this must be a splinter since it's impossible as a heart raise :ph34r: Or perhaps Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 08:02

I like Justins idea about Kens thoughts.
But playing a strong and long tournement, it is horrible to invent such a bid on the table, no matter what it logically should be.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 08:35

Clearly, the 3♥ bid shows a big diamond fit. The only question is whether the partnership is permitted to make splinter bids in a suit partner has already bid. If so, then this is a splinter raise. If not, then it shows a card or two in hearts (Kx is a live possibility) and a massive diamond fit.

I really don't think we need Ken to tell us this. There are no other possibilities considering the pass over 1♥.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 09:51

Agree with Art.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 09:55

partner was hoping they would let you play 1♥x. When this didn't materialize, he thought he should invite in the suit.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 10:46

Splinter, and to answer the question in the topic, partner enjoys seeing you twist and toil in your seat. I might not say that there is anything wrong with partner though... Since I occaisionally enjoy that myself.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 11:28

I think I bid something like this the other day. It's called the ohheckwhatamidoingin3insteadof2 convention, though maybe if you don't wind up declarer it's called something different. :)
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2009-July-13, 13:13

helene_t, on Jul 13 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Agree with Art.

I agree with Art's conclusion and Justin's option #2 for what I would think. I also think this is a no-brainer.

Whereas the splinter idea has some application in other sequences, not here. The default should be obvious -- fit showing bids show fits. This is simply a fit-jump in hearts to support diamonds, but in a backwards way -- showing heart partial support. Passable choice; descriptive.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 14:00

Ok I'll ask. Why didn't Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit bid 1NT last round?
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Posted 2009-July-13, 14:03

jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

Ok I'll ask. Why didn't Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit bid 1NT last round?

You hold:

x
Kx
xxxxxx
xxxx

LHO opens 1♦, Partner overcalls 1♥ and RHO doubles.

I really don't think that 1NT is an appropriate call on these cards.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 14:40

ArtK78, on Jul 13 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

Ok I'll ask. Why didn't Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit bid 1NT last round?

You hold:

x
Kx
xxxxxx
xxxx

LHO opens 1♦, Partner overcalls 1♥ and RHO doubles.

I really don't think that 1NT is an appropriate call on these cards.

I really don't think 3♥ is an appropriate call on these cards (not to mention this hand is impossible.) But I admit you got me thinking in the right direction.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 15:40

jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

ArtK78, on Jul 13 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 13 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

Ok I'll ask. Why didn't Hx of hearts and a big diamond fit bid 1NT last round?

You hold:

x
Kx
xxxxxx
xxxx

LHO opens 1♦, Partner overcalls 1♥ and RHO doubles.

I really don't think that 1NT is an appropriate call on these cards.

I really don't think 3♥ is an appropriate call on these cards (not to mention this hand is impossible.) But I admit you got me thinking in the right direction.

I suppose you must have at least 2 spades, probably 3, for this auction to make any sense. It is remotely possible that partner has a good hand, 4-5-4-0 distribution with very good hearts, LHO is 3-4-2-4 and RHO is 4-2-1-6. My hand could be better with less shape: xx Kx QJTxxx xxx.

I assume that the opps are playing a strong club system.
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Posted 2009-July-13, 15:46

The only possible alternative is that responder had a fit, felt too weak to raise initially (even with 2♦ and 2♥ available!) but now feels that he would show a too weak hand to if he simply bids 2♥ now.

Don't know what the hand looks like, I wouldn't ever bid this way.
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