[Apollo81]

Scoring: IMP

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p (1♦) X (1♠)
2♦* (3♦) p (p)
4♣ (p) p (4♦)
all pass

*4+♥ inv

[Hanoi5]

It looks like West chickened out after doubling with the ♦ void and 9HCP.

[ArtK78]

I find it hard to believe that the East hand is invitational, even opposite a shaded takeout double. I would bid game on the East cards. 4♥ or 5♣ rates to have play opposite almost any rational takeout double of 1♦. West should bid 3♥ to confirm the 8 card fit, and the partnership will get to 4♥. East may have been misled to believing that there was no 8 card heart fit due to West's pass. But then East should bid 5♣.

Blame - 100% to West for not getting to 4♥; 100% to East for not getting to game.

[Hanoi5]

Give West ♠KQJx♥AQx♦xx♣Qxxx and no game is on. (A Queen less would also be a normal double, in case you're wondering what did the opponents bid on)

(added a ♣)

[jdonn]

Why did east not open the bidding? Why did east not bid 4♥ at the end? Why did west not raise east? Too much blame to go around. East gets more since I think he made more mistakes.

Edit: I didn't see the alert on 2♦. I can't even keep track of all this blame but west now gets a lot more than I said. I think these two just deserve each other. I think this is a good example of people who focus too much on system but have no judgment, and why the latter is what should be taught to learning players.

[Jlall]

What did east do wrong other than not open a marginal hand? West lost his mind on this one. 3H over 3D, and obviously 4H over 4C.

[ArtK78]

Hanoi5, on Jul 9 2009, 10:23 AM, said:

Give West ♠KQJx♥AQx♦xx♣Qxx and no game is on. (A Queen less would also be a normal double, in case you're wondering what did the opponents bid on)

I don't like making takeout doubles on 12 card hands.

[Apollo81]

I was West.

In retrospect, I obviously should have bid 3♥ to let East know I had four hearts. My thinking at the time was that I had already taken an aggressive antifield action, my hand had gotten worse after 1♠, and I wasn't going to do anything again unless forced.

[jdonn]

Jlall, on Jul 9 2009, 11:09 AM, said:

What did east do wrong other than not open a marginal hand? West lost his mind on this one. 3H over 3D, and obviously 4H over 4C.

Sorry you're right. I should have changed my answer more when I saw the meaning of 2♦.

Noble I really don't think you are being hard enough on yourself. You have game minus your spade queen and partner's diamond queen and club jack.

[Apollo81]

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Noble I really don't think you are being hard enough on yourself.

I'm not? I said 3♥ (and 4♥) were obvious in retrospect.

[jdonn]

Didn't see you mention 4♥ too, that would have been fair.

[Apollo81]

jdonn, on Jul 9 2009, 12:40 PM, said:

Didn't see you mention 4♥

Technically I didn't =)

So I guess this isn't an antifield double after all.

[Codo]

I think all four bid like crap. N/S bidding was not better then E/W.

[ArtK78]

Codo, on Jul 10 2009, 12:51 AM, said:

I think all four bid like crap. N/S bidding was not better then E/W.

I like the NS result. Somehow they avoided 4♠ which goes down on the bad spade break (unless declarer is psychic), while 4♦ is cold. Further, they were allowed to play in 4♦. Can't get much better than that.

[Fluffy]

ArtK78, on Jul 10 2009, 02:40 PM, said:

Codo, on Jul 10 2009, 12:51 AM, said:

I think all four bid like crap. N/S bidding was not better then E/W.

I like the NS result. Somehow they avoided 4♠ which goes down on the bad spade break (unless declarer is psychic), while 4♦ is cold. Further, they were allowed to play in 4♦. Can't get much better than that.

you are resulting

[mikeh]

I add my votes to those critical of west... surely opposite an invitational heart bid, he was worth a competitive raise to 3♥? Which would, correctly in my view, deny a game acceptance hand.. anyone who doubles and thinks they have significant extras plays a different form of the game than I do... maybe a better form for all I know.. but if all partner needs to bid game is my hand, he will take the push after 3♥.

As it is, while this result is not good, bear in mind that the opps may well find the excellent save over 4♥.