[Fluffy]

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

Phil, on Jul 8 2009, 11:00 AM, said:

3N.

Ask yourself if you want to be in 6♣ opposite a very typical hand like ♠xx ♥x ♦AKJxxx ♣AQxx because thats where you'll end up if you bypass 3N.

If pard has more than this, we'll hear about it over 3N.

But what if he has not more than that (or even a bit less) but five clubs? xx x AKxxx AQxxx I certainly want to be in 6♣.

I still think your example was fairly compelling and it's sort of close, but I prefer supporting partner.

I was gonna point out that if you could add 1 club, I could as well substract one and make it 3. But ken beated me to it, and Wayne, already said this is impossible O_o

Ok, nevertheless, I am very late, but at least I am with you Ken, you can have a 3163 and even 2173 on some natural systems for this bidding,

[the hog]

Fluffy, on Jul 10 2009, 03:51 PM, said:

Ok, nevertheless, I am very late, but at least I am with you Ken, you can have a 3163 and even 2173 on some natural systems for this bidding,

Et tu Fluffy? I thought one "off the planet earth" was enough.

[ONEferBRID]

Cascade says:
3C = natural and GF
2NT! = artificial force ( I assume asking for more info )

I also assume the 2S would be natural and GF.

Apparently the only non-forcing bid is 3D and the only invitational bid is 3H.

My suggestion over a rebid of 2H ( showing a minimum opener ) is to have 2S! be the artificial forcing/asking bid ( and "may" have 4 cards Sp ).
This leaves plenty of room for Opener to show "more info" on the 3-level, such as 2NT or 3C/3S = 4 card suit or 3D= 3 card support.