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#1 User is offline   ONEferBRID 

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Posted 2009-July-08, 13:57

IMPs
Both Vul
opps silent
Partner opens

1NT - 2D!
3H - ??

Do you pass or bid game after the Super Accept ?

T x
J T x x x
K x
J T x x
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Posted 2009-July-08, 14:04

I'm not sure if it will affect my decision, but what other choices did your partner have to super accept? What would 2, 2NT, 3, or 3 mean? Does 3 show anything in particular?
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Posted 2009-July-08, 14:27

We get an extra 450 points for game here, right?

Just checking. Yeah, I'll bid 4.
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Posted 2009-July-08, 14:28

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.
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Posted 2009-July-08, 14:39

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious :angry:
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Posted 2009-July-08, 14:40

Definitely game the way I play super accepts. When I do it, I mean it.

The way I see lots of people playing them, I don't want to bid game with this opposite a random 16 with four hearts.
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Posted 2009-July-08, 14:52

This looks suspiciously like the responding hand in this thread:
http://forums.bridge...showtopic=32885
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-July-08, 14:53

ONEferBRID, on Jul 9 2009, 07:57 AM, said:

IMPs
Both Vul
opps silent
Partner opens

1NT - 2D!
3H - ??

Do you pass or bid game after the Super Accept ?

T x
J T x x x
K x
J T x x

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Posted 2009-July-08, 14:58

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious :P

good answer :D
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Posted 2009-July-08, 15:04

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

Definitely game the way I play super accepts. When I do it, I mean it.

The way I see lots of people playing them, I don't want to bid game with this opposite a random 16 with four hearts.

If you restrict super-accepts to hands which make game opposite a crappy 5-count, don't you have problems when responder has the borderline 7-count with a singleton? (Or if that's always an invite, make it a 6-count - hands which are worth game opposite a fit, but aren't really even invitational without one)
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Posted 2009-July-08, 15:23

quiddity, on Jul 8 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 8 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

Definitely game the way I play super accepts. When I do it, I mean it.

The way I see lots of people playing them, I don't want to bid game with this opposite a random 16 with four hearts.

If you restrict super-accepts to hands which make game opposite a crappy 5-count, don't you have problems when responder has the borderline 7-count with a singleton? (Or if that's always an invite, make it a 6-count - hands which are worth game opposite a fit, but aren't really even invitational without one)

I can show those as responder in my prefered system (light invitational responding hands with two suits). Anyway I don't think this 5 count is so crappy, so if you have the system to distinguish when opener needs responder to have a 5 count to make game and when he needs him to have a 6 count, please inform us.
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Posted 2009-July-08, 15:34

[quote name='jdonn' date='Jul 8 2009, 04:23 PM'] [quote name='quiddity' date='Jul 8 2009, 04:04 PM']
I can show those as responder in my prefered system (light invitational responding hands with two suits). [/quote]
How does it work? I have had problems dealing with such hands.
Agree it's a bit much to distinguish between 5 points and 6, but there must be a wide gap in playing strength between a 7-count with a singleton and a 5-count with no singleton. How do you get to game with the former hand when you have a fit without getting to too many hopeless 3nt contracts?
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Posted 2009-July-08, 16:36

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious :P

come on, if you're e.g. 2533 you're seriously happy bidding 2?
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Posted 2009-July-08, 16:38

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious :P

come on, if you're e.g. 2533 you're seriously happy bidding 2?

Yes?
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Posted 2009-July-08, 16:46

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How does it work?

For all these you can require 5-5 (my preference) or allow it on 5-4, in the first case you are less likely to end up too high with no fit, but in the second case you can use it more often.

1NT 2
2/ 2
light unbalanced invite with 5 spades and a minor. Opener can pass, or bid 2NT to ask for the minor.

1NT 2
2 2
artificial showing light unbalanced invite with 5 hearts and another suit.
Opener must bid 2NT, then you bid 3// with clubs/diamonds/spades. You can also include other hands, such as 3 over the relay showing a game force with 5-5 in the majors.
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Posted 2009-July-09, 02:34

There are five bids available that are higher than 2 and not higher than 3. Maybe that gives us enough space to be able to show both a maximum with four-card support and a minimum with five-card support?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-July-09, 06:00

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 05:38 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 05:36 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jul 8 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jul 8 2009, 03:28 PM, said:

I'd bid game because I have both tens, and it's red imps.

BTW it's nice to play a form of superaccepts where there is a "nonserious" option for opener.

How about 2H non serious ;)

come on, if you're e.g. 2533 you're seriously happy bidding 2?

Yes?

non serious 4H. LAW gone mad? Haven't had a disaster yet, doing that.
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Posted 2009-July-09, 15:51

Do people around the world show super max with 2NT when you hold KQx/AQx/AKx?


for the vacant super acceptances, you could play that 3 shows something easy to remember like Ax AKQx Kxxx xxx, if it ever happens you will have a laugh.
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Posted 2009-July-09, 16:11

gnasher, on Jul 9 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

There are five bids available that are higher than 2 and not higher than 3. Maybe that gives us enough space to be able to show both a maximum with four-card support and a minimum with five-card support?

You can also use 6N to show a minimum with four hearts. You wouldn't want to even though you could. I disagree strongly with forcing to the 3 level with a minimum on an auction where it is very hard for the opponents to come into the auction safely.
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Posted 2009-July-10, 02:32

Jlall, on Jul 9 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

I disagree strongly with forcing to the 3 level with a minimum on an auction where it is very hard for the opponents to come into the auction safely.

We have a ten-card fit, 15 opposite 0-7, and you expect to be able to play in 2? Do you play your bridge mainly at golf clubs now?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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