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Should someone bid more? Thin Game

Poll: Who if anyone should bid more? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

Who if anyone should bid more?

  1. North (12 votes [46.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  2. South (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  3. Neither (12 votes [46.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  4. Either/Both (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

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#1 User is offline   Cascade 

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Posted 2009-July-06, 03:16

Scoring: IMP

1♣ 1♠
3♠ Pass


Weak No Trump system.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 03:25

In a weak notrump system, 3♠ should show slightly more than it does in a strong notrump system, so maybe North should have kicked it in.

(I voted "neither" before noticing that we are playing weak notrump).
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Posted 2009-July-06, 03:53

Actually with a balanced hand 3♠ is limited to 17 as 18s start with something else in our system.
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True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon

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Posted 2009-July-06, 03:56

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Posted 2009-July-06, 04:43

North shouldn't pass 3♠ vulnerable at IMPs, knowing partner has four spades. OMG, he has three Tens as well! No, seriously, this isn't a flat hand, it has two doubletons in it which should prove useful given the nice fit.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 04:46

I strongly believe that in this sequence North should bid game with virtually any hand with 5 trumps.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 05:17

Neither.

North has a min. responding hand, South invites, since he cant
force to game, North declines, thats it.

Sometimes you miss games.

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Posted 2009-July-06, 05:52

There are max. hands which North could have which would be worse than this min. for bidding 4♠. Like:

Qxxx
Qxx
QJx or even Kxx
Qxx
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Posted 2009-July-06, 06:15

North should bid 4♠ at IMPs. Useful features in his hand include a fifth trump, the king of diamonds and a semi-solid heart suit which will grow in strength if partner does produce one or two honor cards.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 06:25

If you get a club lead you depend on the spade finesse, don't you?
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Posted 2009-July-06, 08:00

At IMPs I would try 4♠
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Posted 2009-July-06, 08:48

Of course all the 4S bidders realise as well, that opener has a
working max, and that he could have a weaker hand, that he
could have softer values.

As always, it would have been better to hide one hand, in this
case openers hand to ask if one should move.

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Posted 2009-July-06, 09:23

helene_t, on Jul 6 2009, 07:25 AM, said:

If you get a club lead you depend on the spade finesse, don't you?

And the problem is?
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 09:28

Even playing strong 1NT, would they get to game ?
I doubt it.
North would bid ( trash) Stayman and pass Opener's 2S reply.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 13:41

Norths pass is ridiculously bad.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 13:59

Obviously south can't do more. I view it as close but think north should bid game. Jlall did you see opener can't be 18-19 balanced here?
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Posted 2009-July-06, 14:21

jdonn, on Jul 6 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Obviously south can't do more. I view it as close but think north should bid game. Jlall did you see opener can't be 18-19 balanced here?

Can partner have a stiff heart (serious question, how do you play 3H OP?) Can partner have 4225? Can partner have 4234? Unless you catch 4324 or 4315 you have a great hand, and those are unlikely.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 14:38

Jlall, on Jul 7 2009, 08:21 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 6 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Obviously south can't do more. I view it as close but think north should bid game. Jlall did you see opener can't be 18-19 balanced here?

Can partner have a stiff heart (serious question, how do you play 3H OP?) Can partner have 4225? Can partner have 4234? Unless you catch 4324 or 4315 you have a great hand, and those are unlikely.

3♥ would be a splinter.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 15:27

So 3S is always 17 balanced or maybe 4225 16? I think north has a clear game bid opposite that range given that partner is likely to have a doubleton heart.
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Posted 2009-July-06, 15:34

Could be 16 Balanced.

Our 2♠ Raises are fairly wide range without this since we like to frequently raise with only three trumps.
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I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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