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Weird hand, what do you open? There might be more questions

Poll: I... (45 member(s) have cast votes)

I...

  1. ...open 3 Clubs (3 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  2. ...open 4 Clubs (15 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. ...open 5 Clubs (4 votes [8.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.89%

  4. ...pass (20 votes [44.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 44.44%

  5. ...have a special bid for this specific hand (2 votes [4.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.44%

  6. ...other (1 votes [2.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.22%

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Posted 2009-June-14, 19:06

You're dealer, red vs white:

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♥J8xxx
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♣KJ9xxxxx

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Posted 2009-June-14, 20:27

No 2 suited opening I guess, so I'll pass.
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Posted 2009-June-14, 20:44

4♣
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Posted 2009-June-14, 21:10

4♣. 5♣ is too easy to get doubled. and the hand has too much playing strength for 3♣.
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Posted 2009-June-14, 21:28

I kinda want to open 3C but I'm sure I would open 4C irl.
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Posted 2009-June-14, 21:34

Jlall, on Jun 14 2009, 10:28 PM, said:

I kinda want to open 3C but I'm sure I would open 4C irl.

Kinda weird. May convince you that you were wrong to even think it, but something intuitive in me screams the counter-intuitive 3♣ also.
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Posted 2009-June-14, 21:58

4♣ if natural, otherwise pass.
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Posted 2009-June-14, 22:27

i suspect if this was not posed here as a question, there would be a majority for pass. PASS covers hands you cant describe.
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Posted 2009-June-14, 22:32

aguahombre, on Jun 14 2009, 11:27 PM, said:

i suspect if this was not posed here as a question, there would be a majority for pass.  PASS covers hands you cant describe.

yes pass covers 85 very nicely! after passing now doubt you will be able to describe your hand perfectly.
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Posted 2009-June-14, 22:36

Jlall, on Jun 14 2009, 11:32 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jun 14 2009, 11:27 PM, said:

i suspect if this was not posed here as a question, there would be a majority for pass.  PASS covers hands you cant describe.

yes pass covers 85 very nicely! after passing now doubt you will be able to describe your hand perfectly.

Pass, then bid 0♠, then wait for the auction to come back, open 5♥, then bid 8♣... and finish with "and no diamonds".

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Posted 2009-June-14, 23:07

Just five losers and a five card major. 1♥ wtp?
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Posted 2009-June-14, 23:35

aguahombre, on Jun 15 2009, 06:27 AM, said:

i suspect if this was not posed here as a question, there would be a majority for pass.  PASS covers hands you cant describe.

Yes.

Problem is, that when partner opens 1♦, you only have 5 hcp and thus cannot bid 1♥. But what the hell, it looks like a misfit anyway.
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Posted 2009-June-15, 00:03

How about 1S? Hope I can escape to 2C/3C/4C.
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Posted 2009-June-15, 02:09

The_Hog, on Jun 15 2009, 03:27 AM, said:

No 2 suited opening I guess, so I'll pass.

If a two-suited opening were available, would you make it?
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Posted 2009-June-15, 02:58

jdonn, on Jun 15 2009, 05:07 AM, said:

Just five losers and a five card major. 1♥ wtp?

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Posted 2009-June-15, 03:48

I have a theory that one should preempt aggressively with boring shapes like 7222, and be more cautious with more exciting shapes. The reason is that if trumps split bad for them, aggressive preempting may keep them out of a normal contract that would fail due to the bad breaks. Also it may be difficult for p to judge what to do if last board we were 5-0 in the majors and now we're 0-5.

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Posted 2009-June-15, 06:51

4C. Don't understand pass.
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Posted 2009-June-15, 07:30

gnasher, on Jun 15 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Jun 15 2009, 03:27 AM, said:

No 2 suited opening I guess, so I'll pass.

If a two-suited opening were available, would you make it?

If I had a 4♥ opener, that showed a lousy 5-card suit, and 7 or 8 clubs, I would use it.

Unfortunately it is not yet on my repertoire.

(Some might prefer to go all the way, and guarantie 8 clubs, but I believe thay are influenced by seeing the actual hand.)
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Posted 2009-June-15, 07:45

Well I passed at the table. The club suit was KJ965432 and hearts J8532 (not quite sure about the hearts). It went:

Pa 1♦ Pa 2♠

Which was strong with spades. At my table I now decided it was safe to bid by jumping:

4♣ 4♠ 5♣ 5♠

Now what? If you pass,
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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-June-15, 08:19

If I had decided to pass with this hand, I think I'd keep it up at this point.

I mean, I had the option of preempting, but I did not. I now know that I am well behind the field in the preemption department, and nothing I do now will catch up.

So, I might as well hope that the non-preemption pays off. Meaning, maybe the opponents actually do worse with no interference because they bid aggressively, counting on some nice splits that are not happening. Worst thing I could do now is to bid and take that possible gain away also.

Pass like I'm 4-3-3-3 and bored.
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