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Part 2 - on a different note.

Poll: What do you lead? (14 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you lead?

  1. Spade (1 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  2. J of hearts (8 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  3. low heart (3 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  4. diamond honour (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. low diamond (1 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  6. low club (1 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  7. king of clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2009-June-02, 00:07

The auction continues:

Pass…..1S…….Double…Redble
3NT……Pass….Pass…..Dble
4C……..4S……Pass……Pass
Dble…..All Pass

You hold:
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Maybe you don't agree with your initial x, but you have made it. Now, what do you lead?
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Posted 2009-June-02, 00:11

What was 3NT?
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Posted 2009-June-02, 00:25

cherdanno, on Jun 2 2009, 01:11 PM, said:

What was 3NT?

Arend, see part one of the problem. - "on a different note". What do you think 3NT might have been? There are a number of conflicting opinions, which is why I posted this.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 01:23

A low diamond. As I thought 3NT showed the minors, my auction would have been different, but I'd have ended up with the same lead problem.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-June-02, 01:30

If partner is not bidding in a totally illogical manner, could he be 5-6 (or 4-7 or 5-7) in the minors?

His 4♠x can be an improvised Lightner dbl. I lead a high heart because I think partner will ruff and lead back a diamond (hopefully underleading his ace).
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Posted 2009-June-02, 03:43

♠K

As I wrote in the other thread, 3NT is sanctuary. When partner bids like this, he is not involving me in the decision process. So he has something in spades. This might seem a bit suicidal, but I cannot bear a post-mortem where he has his bid, and I did not play him for it.

Getting fancy with 5-6 or 5-7 in the minors is just to silly, bid a number of ♣, or 4NT if you must.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

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Posted 2009-June-02, 05:03

se12sam, on Jun 2 2009, 08:30 AM, said:

His 4♠x can be an improvised Lightner dbl. I lead a high heart because I think partner will ruff and lead back a diamond (hopefully underleading his ace).

My thoughts as well.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 06:30

Ole, unless opponents are two jokers, it is impossible for pard to have like 13 hcp. He must have some 55 minors or whatnot.

I'll just lead a heart here, trying not to blow just now.. lol.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 07:49

whereagles, on Jun 2 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

Ole, unless opponents are two jokers, it is impossible for pard to have like 13 hcp. He must have some 55 minors or whatnot.

I'll just lead a heart here, trying not to blow just now.. lol.

You only need one joker.

And partner can't have 13 hcp as a passed hand, but If he has 10 or 11, somebody is a joker. And 3NT is the only way to tell me.

And it will take all of the Kings horses and most of his men to take 3NT = Natural away from me.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 08:11

I like Sam's Lightener idea. Will try a low heart though.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 08:13

OleBerg, on Jun 2 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 2 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

Ole, unless opponents are two jokers, it is impossible for pard to have like 13 hcp. He must have some 55 minors or whatnot.

I'll just lead a heart here, trying not to blow just now.. lol.

You only need one joker.

And partner can't have 13 hcp as a passed hand, but If he has 10 or 11, somebody is a joker. And 3NT is the only way to tell me.

And it will take all of the Kings horses and most of his men to take 3NT = Natural away from me.

And what would 2N show?

I choose a low heart. I think partner is ruffing and I want him to feel safe about underleading the club A.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 09:02

bid_em_up, on Jun 2 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Jun 2 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jun 2 2009, 02:30 PM, said:

Ole, unless opponents are two jokers, it is impossible for pard to have like 13 hcp. He must have some 55 minors or whatnot.

I'll just lead a heart here, trying not to blow just now.. lol.

You only need one joker.

And partner can't have 13 hcp as a passed hand, but If he has 10 or 11, somebody is a joker. And 3NT is the only way to tell me.

And it will take all of the Kings horses and most of his men to take 3NT = Natural away from me.

And what would 2N show?

I choose a low heart. I think partner is ruffing and I want him to feel safe about underleading the club A.

I'd rather play 2NT for the minors than 3NT. 2NT isn't game.
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Best Regards Ole Berg

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Posted 2009-June-02, 14:30

Well, we are decided then:

2NT = minors
3NT = more minors :D :) :)
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Posted 2009-June-02, 14:34

whereagles, on Jun 2 2009, 10:30 PM, said:

Well, we are decided then:

2NT = minors
3NT = more minors :) :) :)

Indeed.

7NT = 7-8 in the minors. (Either way.) :D
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Posted 2009-June-02, 15:07

The_Hog, on Jun 2 2009, 01:07 AM, said:

The auction continues:

Pass…..1S…….Double…Redble
3NT……Pass….Pass…..Dble
4C……..4S……Pass……Pass
Dble…..All Pass

You hold:
K4
J10865
KJ4
K96

Maybe you don't agree with your initial x, but you have made it. Now, what do you lead?

♥8 to indicate no strong minor suit preference in case pard can ruff. Pard will (hopefully) ruff this and lead back the a minor depending the minor suit A in hand...
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Posted 2009-June-02, 20:05

Those who got off to the club lead scored -590 instead of +300 on a heart lead or +100 on the diamond lead.

My choice was a D.




My other question is "Do you agree with the takeout x?
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