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Not my problem, but I am curious as to what you think. What sort of hand do you think justifies this bidding?
Pass
..1S
.Double
Redble
3NT
Pass
.Pass
..Dble
4C......4S......Pass.....Pass
x.....All Pass
(Slight edit - apologies to Ole)
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On a different note. A multi part problem - the rest follows
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Posted 2009-June-01, 23:58
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Posted 2009-June-02, 00:03
Bluff or some strange semi-bluff.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 00:12
3NT showed the minors.
"Are you saying that LTC merits a more respectful dismissal?"
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Posted 2009-June-02, 01:18
cherdanno, on Jun 2 2009, 07:12 AM, said:
3NT showed the minors.
Yes. The other possibility is natural, exposing a psyche, but that hand would normally pass and then act.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-June-02, 01:23
gnasher, on Jun 2 2009, 02:18 AM, said:
cherdanno, on Jun 2 2009, 07:12 AM, said:
3NT showed the minors.
Yes. The other possibility is natural, exposing a psyche, but that hand would normally pass and then act.
The 3NT bidder is a passed hand.
"Are you saying that LTC merits a more respectful dismissal?"
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Posted 2009-June-02, 03:16
cherdanno, on Jun 2 2009, 08:12 AM, said:
3NT showed the minors.
No.
You have sanctuary in 3NT. Unless you have another firm agreement, 3NT is to play.
So when you bid 4C you have bluffed or semi-bluffed. When you double 4♠, your semi-bluff contained long spades.
(Apology accepted.)
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2009-June-02, 04:45
This is the "impossible 3NT" convention described in Bergen's "Points, Schmoints". It shows minors.
Not sure what opener has. He passed 3NT but then he acted immediately over 4♣, so even if I knew whether pass-and-pull is strong or weak, I would still be confused.
My guess is that he was happy to defend 3NT undoubled (maybe he thought it was natural, and/or that his LHO would take it as natural), and now he believes he is in an FP situation so he shows a weak hand with seven spades.
Not sure what opener has. He passed 3NT but then he acted immediately over 4♣, so even if I knew whether pass-and-pull is strong or weak, I would still be confused.
My guess is that he was happy to defend 3NT undoubled (maybe he thought it was natural, and/or that his LHO would take it as natural), and now he believes he is in an FP situation so he shows a weak hand with seven spades.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 07:14
OleBerg, on Jun 2 2009, 09:16 AM, said:
Unless you have another firm agreement, 3NT is to play.
You don't need agreements for obvious things.
(2NT) 3NT
2NT = 20-22. What is 3NT? Certainly not to play.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 09:14
When you can't even bid 1NT over the Rdbl naturally I don't see why you should be able to bid 3NT naturally.
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Posted 2009-June-02, 11:22
helene_t, on Jun 2 2009, 05:45 AM, said:
My guess is that he was happy to defend 3NT undoubled (maybe he thought it was natural, and/or that his LHO would take it as natural), and now he believes he is in an FP situation so he shows a weak hand with seven spades.
Agree with Helene -- my best guess would be a weakish 7-4 hand with the majors or some hand with long ♠ that can't withstand a X of 4♣...
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Posted 2009-June-02, 15:16
whereagles, on Jun 2 2009, 08:14 AM, said:
OleBerg, on Jun 2 2009, 09:16 AM, said:
Unless you have another firm agreement, 3NT is to play.
You don't need agreements for obvious things.
(2NT) 3NT
2NT = 20-22. What is 3NT? Certainly not to play.
Wow this is the best post you've ever made
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Posted 2009-June-02, 15:17
Jlall, on Jun 2 2009, 04:16 PM, said:
whereagles, on Jun 2 2009, 08:14 AM, said:
OleBerg, on Jun 2 2009, 09:16 AM, said:
Unless you have another firm agreement, 3NT is to play.
You don't need agreements for obvious things.
(2NT) 3NT
2NT = 20-22. What is 3NT? Certainly not to play.
Wow this is the best post you've ever made
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Posted 2009-June-02, 15:34
whereagles, on Jun 2 2009, 03:14 PM, said:
OleBerg, on Jun 2 2009, 09:16 AM, said:
Unless you have another firm agreement, 3NT is to play.
You don't need agreements for obvious things.
(2NT) 3NT
2NT = 20-22. What is 3NT? Certainly not to play.
Okay, there might be a few exceptions.
So let me rephrase:
If there is the slightest possibility that 3NT could be to play, then it is to play, unless you have another firm agreement.
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Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2009-June-02, 18:59
Dealer passes. He lacks an opening bid.
2nd seat opens 1♠. He has an opening bid.
3rd seat doubles. He has the other three suits.
4th seat redoubles. He has stuff.
Dealer bids 3NT. He has the minors.
2nd seat passes. Doubling 3NT would be different than a pass. Probably thinking about slam.
3rd seat passes. Could be that he's clueless. Could be that he thinks the opponents are clueless. Could be his way of asking partner to pick.
4th seat doubles. Inclined to penalize something.
Dealer bids 4♣. He picks clubs, or he thinks partner is clueless and ain't redoubling.
2nd seat bids 4♠. His slam aspirations are gone.
3rd seat passes. Just nothing to bid.
4th seat passes. Just nothing to bid.
Dealer doubles. He wants to sac but is giving partner an option.
2nd seat passes. What else?
3rd seat passes. He opts to defend.
4th seat passes. What else?
2nd seat opens 1♠. He has an opening bid.
3rd seat doubles. He has the other three suits.
4th seat redoubles. He has stuff.
Dealer bids 3NT. He has the minors.
2nd seat passes. Doubling 3NT would be different than a pass. Probably thinking about slam.
3rd seat passes. Could be that he's clueless. Could be that he thinks the opponents are clueless. Could be his way of asking partner to pick.
4th seat doubles. Inclined to penalize something.
Dealer bids 4♣. He picks clubs, or he thinks partner is clueless and ain't redoubling.
2nd seat bids 4♠. His slam aspirations are gone.
3rd seat passes. Just nothing to bid.
4th seat passes. Just nothing to bid.
Dealer doubles. He wants to sac but is giving partner an option.
2nd seat passes. What else?
3rd seat passes. He opts to defend.
4th seat passes. What else?
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Posted 2009-June-02, 19:57
3NT bidder was
Axx
void
Q9xxx
JTxxx
She meant this as a sort of unusual NT
The other possibility that was discussed, was that this hand coud have something like
Qxxx
x
xx
AQxxxxx
and did not want to pre empt because of the side 4 card S suit.
Maybe sme of you saw this hand in the Cayne match last weekend. Cathy Chua - former Aust international held the 5-5 hand with her long time partner.
Axx
void
Q9xxx
JTxxx
She meant this as a sort of unusual NT
The other possibility that was discussed, was that this hand coud have something like
Qxxx
x
xx
AQxxxxx
and did not want to pre empt because of the side 4 card S suit.
Maybe sme of you saw this hand in the Cayne match last weekend. Cathy Chua - former Aust international held the 5-5 hand with her long time partner.
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