[JLOL]

Q
KTx
AQxxx
KQxx

You are w/r and LHO bids 4S and partner bids 5H. Do you raise?

[whereagles]

I suppose this is to guess whether pard has a normal overcall or

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AQJ9xxxx
Kx
x

Raise, yes.

[rogerclee]

LOL

[Echognome]

I'm all for cutting partner some slack when he's under such pressure, but I just have so much that I would take the push. I wouldn't be surprised if we made 7, but not going to try for it with all the bad breaks that are likely.

[Hanoi5]

I would raise, though I wouldn't be surprised if we lose two tricks.

[quiddity]

Can partner use 4NT followed by 5H to show a weak hand, or is that likely to be a disaster?

[jdaming]

I am guessing that partner has a good hand I raise. I could be convinced to do somthing differently if I knew if the prempter was sound/shady or if partners overcalls were generally leaning either way. It is close.

[Phil]

quiddity, on Apr 3 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

Can partner use 4NT followed by 5H to show a weak hand, or is that likely to be a disaster?

No this shows a great 5♥ overcall.

I take the push. If its wrong, I explain how I was doubling when it came around to me and would pass when pard bid 5♥.

[jdonn]

I don't raise. Close though. I mean the singleton spade and all these queens make the hand look nicer than it really is IMO, and it's also true partner showed the worse of two possible 5♥ overcalls (I used to not like playing 4NT then 5♥ as that but Justin convinced me once).

[MarkDean]

Phil, on Apr 3 2009, 03:23 PM, said:

quiddity, on Apr 3 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

Can partner use 4NT followed by 5H to show a weak hand, or is that likely to be a disaster?

No this shows a great 5♥ overcall.

I take the push. If its wrong, I explain how I was doubling when it came around to me and would pass when pard bid 5♥.

haha, so you raise, but if you are wrong, you tell partner it is his fault?

[kfay]

This depends greatly on the form of scoring to me because at MPs I'd almost certainly pass with most of the people I play with. 5♥ making 6 will not be a zero.

At IMPs I am not sure. I might have to ruff a spade for partner and now if he/she doesn't have the J I'm in trouble because you need to guess whether to hook 1st round. Is it possible that partner is missing 2 aces? Of course. It would be difficult for him to have a hand that would bid 4N...5♥ and if he did do that I'd be worried about grand so that argument doesn't mean too much to me as far as whether to bid here or not. If I do bid 6♥ is enough, don't need 5NT.

I bid. I expect to make this more often than not.

[keylime]

I'm bidding here. As long as 5NT isn't GSF, I bid it to show this hand - a good heart raise to six.

And I also play the 4NT and correct to 5♥ treatment too.

[mikeh]

I raise.. there are limits to my conservatism, and this hand exceeds them, barely

[dake50]

If I'm taking the push, what do 5S, 5NT, 6C, 6D mean? Can I invite the right monster distribution to 7H? Are they all to play or suggest higher in H? Which controls may I show?

[mtvesuvius]

I'll raise... but it won't be the first time I have bid a slam off 2 cashing aces. Or a Grand Slam off a cashing ace...

[JLOL]

I just posted this to prove that jdonn would pass

[andy_h]

I had thought the 4NT-->5H was normally a route to show a good raise to 5H when both opponents have bid (something like 3S-X-4S-4NT-blah-5H).
This direct 4NT over 4S to show a good 5H hand is new to me. If partner bids 5D as p/c, doesn't 5H show the round suits or am I missing something?

[OleBerg]

Raise. Less likely to be wrong than pass.

[OleBerg]

quiddity, on Apr 4 2009, 12:48 AM, said:

Can partner use 4NT followed by 5H to show a weak hand, or is that likely to be a disaster?

If next hand bids 5♠, you are in trouble, if 4NT is a two-way bid. But it is not likely.

[gnasher]

OleBerg, on Apr 4 2009, 09:39 AM, said:

If next hand bids 5♠, you are in trouble, if 4NT is a two-way bid. But it is not likely.

Why isn't it likely?