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1, 2, 3 or 4S
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Posted 2009-March-03, 17:43
We have spades - no reason to keep partner out of it.
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Posted 2009-March-03, 17:44
1♠ wtp?
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Posted 2009-March-03, 17:52
I would bid 3♠, it is pretty unlikely that we have game, and this should create a pretty good bidding problem for my opponents if they don't have a heart fit.
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Posted 2009-March-03, 17:54
I voted for 2S too quickly because I thought I was red on white. However, now that I realize that I'm white on red, I think I bid 3S
Clearly we don't have a game unless partner has a trememdous passed hand for spades. Why not make it as difficult as possible for the opponents?
Now, while it might appear that 4S makes it the most difficult, the "default" action is to be doubled (or to be passed out when partner has 10 or 11 and a spade partial higher than any contract they can make is all you can make.)
Even if I can make only 2S, there's enough of a chance they'll bid over 3S to save me. But the big bonus I'm looking for is that it's their hand and I've stolen too much room with a 3S bid.
Clearly we don't have a game unless partner has a trememdous passed hand for spades. Why not make it as difficult as possible for the opponents?
Now, while it might appear that 4S makes it the most difficult, the "default" action is to be doubled (or to be passed out when partner has 10 or 11 and a spade partial higher than any contract they can make is all you can make.)
Even if I can make only 2S, there's enough of a chance they'll bid over 3S to save me. But the big bonus I'm looking for is that it's their hand and I've stolen too much room with a 3S bid.
I tend to lead fourth best - as opposed to the best suit, the second best suit, or the third best suit for our side
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Posted 2009-March-03, 18:38
3♠ because of the colors. I would like to shut out their +600 in 5 of a minor and this looks like a good start.
I might even get a genius on my right who rebids 3N on his Txx
I might even get a genius on my right who rebids 3N on his Txx
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Posted 2009-March-03, 18:50
Phil, on Mar 3 2009, 04:38 PM, said:
I might even get a genius on my right who rebids 3N on his Txx
The swingy action is to pass throughout and not let them identify that there is this glaring problem in spades...
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Posted 2009-March-03, 18:57
3S for me at these colours.
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Posted 2009-March-03, 19:32
normaly i think i bid 3S, but that really depends on oppontents and how the play till there went. can imagine, if i see rho counting his/her points to a loud "19" that i pass and see the bidding 1♦-1♥-2NT-3NT. on some good day I bid 4S.
3S has the plus, that partner will raise with fit, so we dont have tricks against their contracts. Dont want to hit partner on a spade single and some spread jacks and queens
3S has the plus, that partner will raise with fit, so we dont have tricks against their contracts. Dont want to hit partner on a spade single and some spread jacks and queens
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Posted 2009-March-04, 04:23
2♠ for me. It took me a couple bad scores for learning not to bid 3 here. Even at these colors.
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Posted 2009-March-04, 05:52
4♠
Extremely difficult for them to double me, when I have the four high spades. I will be at most 800 vs their vul. game. (ok, it will not always make, but I will not always get doubled.)
Extremely difficult for them to double me, when I have the four high spades. I will be at most 800 vs their vul. game. (ok, it will not always make, but I will not always get doubled.)
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2009-March-04, 05:56
Echognome, on Mar 4 2009, 02:50 AM, said:
Phil, on Mar 3 2009, 04:38 PM, said:
I might even get a genius on my right who rebids 3N on his Txx
The swingy action is to pass throughout and not let them identify that there is this glaring problem in spades...
Makes me remember a hand from the other night:
Bidding:
1NT* - (Pass) - Pass - (Double)
All pass.
* 12-14
The player on lead had
♦AKQxxxx
(Opener had 12, responder 7 balanced, and the doubler had 12.)
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2009-March-04, 06:51
I'm usually an aggressive preempter, but I don't like 3♠ on this hand: it's too balanced, has too many hearts, and has too much defence. Also, partner passed in second seat rather than first, so he's not quite as limited as he might be.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-March-04, 07:56
2♠
Partners (and LHO's) average strength is about 9 HCP.
To make 2♠ partner has to cover 2 of my 7 loser and that's not unlikely.
Opps are seldom strong enough to to make a 3 level contract.
Partner can enter the bidding if he likes.
Partners (and LHO's) average strength is about 9 HCP.
To make 2♠ partner has to cover 2 of my 7 loser and that's not unlikely.
Opps are seldom strong enough to to make a 3 level contract.
Partner can enter the bidding if he likes.
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Posted 2009-March-04, 10:55
Hi,
I like 3S.
1S is ok.
2S is not enough, given the vulnerability, and since we
are facing a passed p.
4S is too much.
With kind regards
Marlowe
I like 3S.
1S is ok.
2S is not enough, given the vulnerability, and since we
are facing a passed p.
4S is too much.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2009-March-04, 11:47
2♠ for me; having three dead hearts discourages me from bidding 3♠. Let them find a negative double as a passed hand.
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Posted 2009-March-04, 13:29
I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.
A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility.
A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility.
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Posted 2009-March-04, 13:33
skaeran, on Mar 4 2009, 09:29 PM, said:
I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.
A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility.
A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility.
and the bidding goes 2NT pass 3NT and partner doesn't find the spade lead.
Or do you have X as conventional for spades??
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Posted 2009-March-04, 16:07
xx1943, on Mar 4 2009, 08:33 PM, said:
skaeran, on Mar 4 2009, 09:29 PM, said:
I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.
A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility.
A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility.
and the bidding goes 2NT pass 3NT and partner doesn't find the spade lead.
Or do you have X as conventional for spades??
No, I play a double to ask partner to lead his shorter major. I guess he'll hit the right one anytime he isn't void in spades......
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Posted 2009-March-04, 16:20
skaeran, on Mar 4 2009, 03:07 PM, said:
xx1943, on Mar 4 2009, 08:33 PM, said:
skaeran, on Mar 4 2009, 09:29 PM, said:
I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.
A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility.
A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility.
and the bidding goes 2NT pass 3NT and partner doesn't find the spade lead.
Or do you have X as conventional for spades??
No, I play a double to ask partner to lead his shorter major. I guess he'll hit the right one anytime he isn't void in spades......
Really, I thought it was universal that this asks for a diamond lead in this kind of auction (opener's minor).
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