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2, 3, 4?

Poll: your bid (34 member(s) have cast votes)

your bid

  1. 2 hearts, I have scarced 12 HCP (8 votes [23.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  2. 3 hearts (24 votes [70.59%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.59%

  3. 3 spades, splinter (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4 diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4 hearts picturing a 64 (2 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  6. 2NT wtp? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2009-February-16, 20:50

6
A1084
A76432
A5

1-1
??

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Posted 2009-February-16, 21:30

Good shape, bad spots. 2 for me. If partner can't make a move over that, game is unlikely.

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Posted 2009-February-16, 21:39

2 but don't mind 3 here.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 21:48

3H. 3 bullets and 6-4 makes this a pretty good hand for me.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 21:55

3 for me too.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 22:02

655321, on Feb 16 2009, 09:55 PM, said:

3 for me too.

Yeah..32 ZARs ..yeah OK..I can certainly be convinced.

I was on the fence between 2 and 3 anyhow and 3 is only an invite and one can constuct hands that pass 2 with game making.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 22:03

3 for me, would bid 4 before I bid 2.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 22:29

2

In answering these I always assume a weak notrump framework so 2 shows a good hand, say 14-17 TP. Under these conditions, 3+ are overbids.
2 is great if partner can make a shape enquiry via 2NT, onother weak nt bonus.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 23:28

Are we assuming that we are playing a weak NT?

If we are, then 2 describes this hand perfectly.

If we are not, then this is sort of a problem hand, but when I rebid 3 in these auctions, my partner plays me for a distrubutional hand... Which is exactly what I have. The 3 aces, and 6-4 makes this a 3 bid imo.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 07:21

3 for me too. 2 could be a 4333 12 count or this and I probably want to get to game opposite a flat 10 count..
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Posted 2009-February-17, 07:28

2 my partners would answer with less than 6 hcp to a 1m opening and he did not promise more than 4 yet. If he has invitational strength, he will make a move over 2.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 07:56

Partner does not need invitational strength to make game.
Even xxxx,Kxxx,Kxx,xx can be enough.
So I invite him to the show. Given the possible methods, I try 3 , but would prefer a better try like 2 Spade playing SSGT or 3 Diamond with LSGT.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 07:59

3, I don't think this is close at all. Calling this a 12 point hand is basically a failure to play bridge.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 08:03

hotShot, on Feb 17 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

2 my partners would answer with less than 6 hcp to a 1m opening and he did not promise more than 4 yet. If he has invitational strength, he will make a move over 2.

You occasionally get into 3-3 fits?
I've once defended against a 3-3 fit on this type of 1m-1M-2M auctions. The opponents even had on their card that they would often respond with a 3cM.
-300 wasn't a good result for them :)
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Posted 2009-February-17, 08:08

3 for me also. I am a little confused by the silence around the table, though, as to spades. Perhaps the reason is that partner just has a lot of points, such that my decision is immaterial.

Although, this does bring up a thought. My decision as to whether to bid 2 or 3 is not simply one of hand evaluation.

If partner would bid again over 2 anyway, then my decision is only relevant to whether I have provided sufficient guidance as to slam sequences. For, if he bids over 2, we are going to game. Thus, the only question in that event is whether my bid caters to slam sequences well.

If partner would pass 3, then obviously 2 might be beter, except for the competition issue. However, the competition issue is strong.

If we would be well-placed after a 2 call to handle a competitive sequence and to make game tries after a signoff, then an immediate 3 loses some urgency.

Looking at all of this, though, I think 3 now meets all needs. When partner is actually slammish, 3 is a fair bid. I have slightly overstated slam playing strength but that is OK because I have three Aces and four suits controlled.

When the auction is competitive only, I have jammed the opponents, with a backup plan of good defense if they actually step out.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 09:03

since my partners usualy pass with nothing on 1D and I have told most of them not to raise my 4H bids in that situation I would bid 4H.
4D would be more constructive, same to 3S, on some days 3d would come into my mind. on 1st of april I would bid 2h and then think of some joke to tell my teammates that we scored 170 or 200
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Posted 2009-February-17, 10:48

I am shocked to see MULTIPLE votes for 2. When I read the problem I thought the decision would be between 3, 4, and splinter. I think I would just bid 3, but that still feels like an underbid to me.

IMO a 2 bid has zero merit here and is just wrong hand evaluation.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 11:22

2 for me.
(With my regular partner I play 1 is forcing and 2 is splinter with 12-14 or 18-19. Then 2 of course).
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Posted 2009-February-17, 11:42

Codo, on Feb 17 2009, 01:56 PM, said:

Even xxxx,Kxxx,Kxx,xx can be enough.

Kxxxx can be enough actually.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 12:33

This hand just has too much potential for 2. Write me down for 3.
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