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Poll: 4 choices after RHO opens 1H (32 member(s) have cast votes)

4 choices after RHO opens 1H

  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. dbl (14 votes [43.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.75%

  3. 1NT (4 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  4. 2D (14 votes [43.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.75%

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#1 User is offline   shevek 

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Posted 2009-February-16, 08:21

Scoring: IMP

Pd passes, East opens 1♥. You're next

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Posted 2009-February-16, 09:48

Being unbalanced, I'm ok with dbl + pull to 2/3♦.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 10:12

2d
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Posted 2009-February-16, 10:16

I'm a coward with 2♦ but don't see much game potential unless we have a HUGE diamond fit or partner can squeek a bid. Without some kind of diamond fit, this hand is going nowhere.

Making it easy for them to find a 4-4 spade fit might be good too.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 10:28

2D
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Posted 2009-February-16, 10:59

I would double because I'm going to treat this as balanced and rebid notrump over spade bids.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 11:25

2♦. Double is suicide with a stiff spade. 1N is wrong on several counts.

You could even improve the hand slightly and I'd still overcall.
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Posted 2009-February-16, 19:35

2D, but no hard feelings for 1NT.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 03:15

1 Nt is wrong for shape and strength, so maybe some thing that two wrongs make one right? They level each other out?

I would double, np so far.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 08:16

I prefer 1NT to double, it solves the problem of partner jumping high in spades by showing balanced on first round, and we just need to downgrade the stiif queen to meet the strenght requirements.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 10:52

jdonn, on Feb 16 2009, 12:59 PM, said:

I would double because I'm going to treat this as balanced and rebid notrump over spade bids.

Another reason I like double (besides Josh's) is that I am ok with sitting for 4♠ if partner blasts that.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 10:53

Phil, on Feb 16 2009, 01:25 PM, said:

2♦. Double is suicide with a stiff spade. 1N is wrong on several counts.

You could even improve the hand slightly and I'd still overcall.

IMO a singleton Q, K, or A is much different than a smaller singleton, and in practice is more like xx. Change the Q to J or lower and I agree that we cannot double with that hand.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 10:57

Phil, on Feb 16 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

2♦. Double is suicide with a stiff spade. 1N is wrong on several counts.

You could even improve the hand slightly and I'd still overcall.

I think that's just cliche. If I'm going to rebid notrump then what's the difference? Partner won't insist on a 5 card suit, and if he insists on a 6 card suit then I'd say I have a much better dummy than most 2443 hands I could have.

My other excuse was there is no way I'm listening to what someone who would bid 2♦ on a GOOD 20+ count says about suicide. :)
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Posted 2009-February-17, 12:32

jdonn, on Feb 17 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Phil, on Feb 16 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

2♦. Double is suicide with a stiff spade. 1N is wrong on several counts.

You could even improve the hand slightly and I'd still overcall.

I think that's just cliche. If I'm going to rebid notrump then what's the difference? Partner won't insist on a 5 card suit, and if he insists on a 6 card suit then I'd say I have a much better dummy than most 2443 hands I could have.

Do you think the given hand is better than xx AK87 AK97 KQx for playing in spades?
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Posted 2009-February-17, 12:54

orlam, on Feb 17 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

jdonn, on Feb 17 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Phil, on Feb 16 2009, 12:25 PM, said:

2♦. Double is suicide with a stiff spade. 1N is wrong on several counts.

You could even improve the hand slightly and I'd still overcall.

I think that's just cliche. If I'm going to rebid notrump then what's the difference? Partner won't insist on a 5 card suit, and if he insists on a 6 card suit then I'd say I have a much better dummy than most 2443 hands I could have.

Do you think the given hand is better than xx AK87 AK97 KQx for playing in spades?

Yes. Although that's not the claim I was making.
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Posted 2009-February-17, 16:03

You guys like the 5-1 fit more than me :).
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Posted 2009-February-17, 16:25

Well, double is gaining ground.
At the table, double or 2♦ would have worked but the actual 1NT did not.

Partner passed that with

♠A64   ♥JT93   ♦J832   ♣74

Diamonds come in so 3NT & 5♦ both make.
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