[jtfanclub]

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North is dealer. We found (well, I made a slight adjustment to the hands, but on the actual one we found) 6NT played by South, made the 12th trick on a friendly spade lead, and a 13th on a simple squeeze.

Partner was not happy that we did not find the much safer and higher scoring 7♦. Would you?

[TylerE]

1♣ (16+) - 2♣ (GF, 5+ ♦)
2♦ (Trump ask) - 2♠ (5, 1 of AKQ)
3♣ (Club ask) - 3♥ (3rd round)
3♠ (Spade ask) - 4♥ (1st Round)
5♥ (Heart ask) - 6♣ (2nd Round)
7♦

[Fluffy]

I end up in 6♦, maybe 6NT (if its MPs). after 1♦-1♥-2♠ I find no way to find spade doubleton from north, or 6th diamond from south.

[Fluffy]

TylerE, on Feb 9 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

1♣ (16+) - 2♣ (GF, 5+ ♦)
2♦ (Trump ask) - 2♠ (5, 1 of AKQ)
3♣ (Club ask) - 3♥ (3rd round)
3♠ (Spade ask) - 4♥ (1st Round)
5♥ (Heart ask) - 6♣ (2nd Round)
7♦

don't you miss ♠Q?

[jtfanclub]

TylerE, on Feb 9 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

1♣ (16+) - 2♣ (GF, 5+ ♦)
2♦ (Trump ask) - 2♠ (5, 1 of AKQ)
3♣ (Club ask) - 3♥ (3rd round)
3♠ (Spade ask) - 4♥ (1st Round)
5♥ (Heart ask) - 6♣ (2nd Round)
7♦

It's the doubleton spade that gives you your 13th trick- there's no place to park a spade loser. I don't see anything in your auction that would keep you out of grand if South has 3 or 4 spades.

[qwery_hi]

Perhaps:

1♦ - 2♦ (4+ diamonds, invm)
4♦ (minorwood) - 4♥ (1430)
4♠ (Queen ask) - 5♥ (Q + king of hearts)
7♦

I don't know if the correct response to 1♦ is 2♦ or 1♥ with the south hand.

[keylime]

In standard-ish

1♦ - 2♦* (inverted minor)
2♠ - 3♥
4♣ - 4♥
5♥ - 5♠
5NT* (GS try) - 6C* (need club help)
7D (I can see 13 tricks here, pard has at least five diamonds and cooperatively went with a slam exploration)

In Ultra:

1C* (strong) - 1S* (hearts, 4+, GF)
1NT* (waiting) - 2C* (unknown canape)
2D* (where?) - 2S* (diamonds)
3D* (controls) - 3S* ( 3 controls)
4D* (start Turbo) - 5C* (spade/heart is ok, one/three keycards)
7D* (pard can count all controls, and Q♦ not needed)

[jdonn]

Lol what is this. The goal is to reach 7♦ so no one responds 1♥. Right....

What makes this hand tricky to me is that it's much easier if south bids keycard rather than north, but it's hard for south to find out about the club control low enough.

[kfay]

I might reach this with one partner. But I'm being really presumptuous.

1♦*(4+ diamonds)-1♥
1♠-3♦* (natural, forcing).
4♦*(minorwood)-4♥*(one)
4♠*(Queen?)-5♥(Q, + ♥K)
5♠*(3rd round control of spades?)-7♦

3♦ is a stretch. I'd expect 5-5 from it.

In general I hate minorwood because every time someone bids it I want to go back and borrow my friend's Kantar book to see what all the followups are. Here I believe we're on pretty firm footing through 5♠, but I can't say for sure that is the meaning of 5♠.

So I guess this proves I wouldn't bid this grand.

[Fluffy]

I like your sequence kevin, but if you ever try this with me as partner you might end up in 4♦+3

[keylime]

I don't respond 1♥, don't see why I need to if partner rebids 1NT, and I need to find a forcing set of bids. Yes, I know there's that NMF thing, but I rather keep things uncomplicated.

[junyi_zhu]

jtfanclub, on Feb 9 2009, 04:01 PM, said:

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North is dealer. We found (well, I made a slight adjustment to the hands, but on the actual one we found) 6NT played by South, made the 12th trick on a friendly spade lead, and a 13th on a simple squeeze.

Partner was not happy that we did not find the much safer and higher scoring 7♦. Would you?

for those who don't play inverted minor raises with 4 card major(s),
1D 1H
2S 3D
4C(cuebid, 4S+6D shape with C control, without C control, you can bid 4D) 4H(rkc)
4S(4KC) 5H(we have all kc)
5S(SK) 7D

here, with 4-5 in S+D, usually opener shouldn't bypass 3NT. Also, if you play 2NT to show weaker hands（not leb), 3D should show extra, then 4C can be bid safely bid.

[ajm218]

1♦ 1♥
1♠* 2♣**   *100% forcing **4SGF
3♦* 3♥**   *showing strong 64 **cue
3♠* 4♦    *cue
4♥* 4NT    *cue showing denied ♣ control as well
5♣ 7♦  * knows is opposite at worst a 4162 or 4261 hand with K♠, A♥, AK♦ and A♣, ♠s can be ruffed in the dummy and K♥ pitch for rounded suit loser

Can opener have one keycard... probably not

[kenrexford]

North: Opens 1♦
South: GF 2♣ artificial response
North: 2♥ (four spades)
South: 3♦ (sets trumps)

At this point, North can predict a probable inability to gain anything from cues. So, he just bids 4♥ 1430 RKCB. South shows one (4♠). 5♣ asks for the Queen (4NT would be a signoff), and South shows it plus the heart King (5♥).

North now knows that he has no club loser and might have no problem in spades. So, he asks for the impossible spade King (5♠). South lacks this and lacks the club King, and he hates his hand, so he bids 6♦.

North lacks sufficient info to pursue the grand without bypassing 6♦. However, he does have ability to get out at 6NT. So, he makes one last stab, 5♠. This is strange, as it essentially lets Responder know that the spade ask earlier was fake and that he is instead looking for tertiary spade values. With a doubleton, Responder might get this right.

So, maybe.

[nxw0016]

If South opens 1♦, and the scoring is IMP, it might be easier to reach 7♦ IMO.

When north is the dealer.... it seems not so easy without a fancier system, especially in MP when everyone is NT crazy.

[mike777]

jtfanclub, on Feb 9 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown

♠ KT94 ♥ A ♦ AK7652 ♣ A5 ♠ A8 ♥ K874 ♦ QJ984 ♣ Q3

North is dealer.  We found (well, I made a slight adjustment to the hands, but on the actual one we found) 6NT played by South, made the 12th trick on a friendly spade lead, and a 13th on a simple squeeze. 

Partner was not happy that we did not find the much safer and higher scoring 7♦.  Would you?

Tough North is worried that south has 3 spades and cannot pitch the third spade and South is worried that North has 3 clubs and cannot pitch the third club. For me to get there I just need to ignore that issue.

1D=1H
2S=3D
4H=4NT
5C=5H
5S=6D OR 7D?
7D OR p?

4H=RKC FOR D
4NT=1-4
5C=q ASK
5H=qD AND KH
5S=KS

[Codo]

1 ♦ 1 ♥ (Natural)
1 ♠ 2 ♣ (nat, 4sf)
3 ♦ 4 ♦ GF good hand with D, KC for Diamonds)
4 ♠ 5 ♥ (real good hand with 4 aces) (Kings?)
5 ♠ 5 NT (King of Spade? Something else?
7♦ (a 6. Diamond)

Dummy can claim after the lead: Spade A,K, two spade ruffs, Heart ace king, 6 Diamonds and ace of club.

The key is the 4 Diamond bid. This is not just minorwood, but askes about extra strength too. And: It bypasses 4 club, so it denies a club control. Without a club control, pd will answer: Minimum, knowing that they have two club losers.
Not perfect on any hand but works great here.

[mike777]

I suppose this is possible:


1D=1H
1S=2C
3D=4H
4S=5H
5S=7D


2C=4SF
4H=RKC FOR D
4NT=1-4
5H=PROMISE ALL KEY CARDS, SPECIFIC KING ASK
5S=KS

[Echognome]

I don't understand rebidding 3♦ after FSF on AKxxxx. The diamonds aren't good enough, IMO, for that.

[jdonn]

Echognome, on Feb 9 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

I don't understand rebidding 3♦ after FSF on AKxxxx. The diamonds aren't good enough, IMO, for that.

The diamonds are good enough. It's the 1♠ bid I don't understand, opener seems definitely good enough for 2♠. A 6-4 18 count with all aces and kings, and a T9 thrown in? Wtp?