[paulg]

Many are unhappy at people who run no-psyche tournaments, feeling that it is no longer bridge as psyches are permitted in the Laws.

So I was interested to see that the WBF Women's Bridge Festival on-line will be such a tournament run on BBO in April - conditions of contest (PDF).

I'm not eligible to play in this event but I am surprised that the WBF is endorsing a no psyche tournament.

But perhaps we should be more tolerant of others on BBO who do so.

Paul

[1eyedjack]

Has anyone asked the WBF to comment on this? Is it possible that the condition slipped through unnoticed by them?

[paulg]

1eyedjack, on Feb 9 2009, 09:58 AM, said:

Has anyone asked the WBF to comment on this?  Is it possible that the condition slipped through unnoticed by them?

I have emailed Anna Maria Torlontano, Chairman of the WBF Women's Committee, about this.

Paul

[the hog]

Who wrote the regulations? The standard of English is that of a primary school student.

[hotShot]

I think BBO-Italy is organizing the event.

[peachy]

hotShot, on Feb 9 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

I think BBO-Italy is organizing the event.

They could easily have asked someone whose native language is English to write the conditions of contest. Surely not too late now.

[paulg]

The organisers replied saying that it is part of the (Integrating Norms) regulations adopted by the Italian Bridge Federation that forbid psychic calls in local tournaments. Given that the Festival's Directors are Italian, they have decided to follow their normal rules.

Personally I think it is misguided for the WBF to promote an open tournament where the conditions of contest undermine the work of its Laws Committee.

But I have thanked Anna Maria for her prompt response and do wish them all success in their tournament.

Paul

[hotShot]

Thank you for the update, Paul!

[1eyedjack]

I should be interested to know which of the principal Laws the IBF believes grants it the authority to ban the use of psychs in local tournaments. From what you say this does not appear to be in isolated case. What are "Integrating Norms", by the way?

[jillybean]

These tournaments also handle misclicks during an auction in an unusual way;

A player who misclicks must inform the TD and both opps of the mistake and the intended bid.

I assume this new rule was introduced after psyches were banned however the laws give the TD the tools to handle misclicks in an auction - why wouldnt the laws be followed here?

[hotShot]

jillybean2, on Feb 12 2009, 11:06 PM, said:

These tournaments also handle misclicks during the auction in an unusual way;

A player who misclicks must inform the TD and both opps of the mistake and the intended bid.

I assume this new rule was introduced after psyches were banned however the laws give the TD the tools to handle misclicks in an auction - why wouldnt the laws be followed here?

It's been a while since my last online TD'ing, does the BBO interface support changing the bidding by the TD?

[jillybean]

hotShot, on Feb 12 2009, 03:43 PM, said:

jillybean2, on Feb 12 2009, 11:06 PM, said:

These tournaments also handle misclicks during the auction in an unusual way;

A player who misclicks must inform the TD and both opps of the mistake and the intended bid.

I assume this new rule was introduced after psyches were banned however the laws give the TD the tools to handle misclicks in an auction - why wouldnt the laws be followed here?

It's been a while since my last online TD'ing, does the BBO interface support changing the bidding by the TD?

Nope, the TD can allow undo's though and can turn them 'ON' part way through a game to allow a bid to be taken back.

[paulg]

1eyedjack, on Feb 12 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

I should be interested to know which of the principal Laws the IBF believes grants it the authority to ban the use of psychs in local tournaments. From what you say this does not appear to be in isolated case. What are "Integrating Norms", by the way?

I did not understand the term, but I wondered if it meant events where there are a significant number of new (tournament) players, typically with few master points.

Paul

[matmat]

cardsharp, on Feb 12 2009, 06:48 PM, said:

1eyedjack, on Feb 12 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

I should be interested to know which of the principal Laws the IBF believes grants it the authority to ban the use of psychs in local tournaments.  From what you say this does not appear to be in isolated case.  What are "Integrating Norms", by the way?

I did not understand the term, but I wondered if it meant events where there are a significant number of new (tournament) players, typically with few master points.

Paul

quite simple really.

"integrating norms" is an early step in an attempt to make everyone equally good at bridge. The idea is that if we restrict the bidding, eventually, to a single legal call and then force everyone to play the same card to every single trick, true equality will have been achieved.

[paulg]

Anna Maria has added that they will review the conditions of contest prior to the 2010 competition.

[babalu1997]

[quote name='matmat' date='Feb 12 2009, 08:56 PM'] Paul [/QUOTE]
quite simple really.

"integrating norms" is an early step in an attempt to make everyone equally good at bridge. The idea is that if we restrict the bidding, eventually, to a single legal call and then force everyone to play the same card to every single trick, true equality will have been achieved. [/quote]
but that game already exists!!!

Isn't that Whist? where the one bid made is a card pulled from the deck?