[mtvesuvius]

I played yesterday in a swiss teams and this board came up:

NV vs V, with West dealing:

(1NT*) - X** - (4♦***) - ?
*15-17
**Long Minor or Both Majors (Meckwell)
***Texas Transfer

1. You have 2 opportunities to come in, what is the difference between bidding immediately and delayed bidding? You also have a X and 4♥ cuebid available here, what do they mean? What does a X of the forced 4♥ bid mean?

2. What do you bid with:

♠ Q8652
♥ -------
♦ 8542
♣ 9653

This seems like a rarely discussed situation, I'm wondering what the common treatment is here...

[kenrexford]

I usually play the double of a forcing call as takeout for the shown suit. Hence, a double of 4♦ would typically show this hand.

The problem, of course, is that 4♦ could be profitably sent back when partner has long hearts, which would suck. But, that's life.

[Hanoi5]

4NT. I'm betting pard has the minor. However he'd bid 5♠ if he doesn't, right?

[Phil]

Hanoi5, on Jan 26 2009, 11:51 AM, said:

4NT. I'm betting pard has the minor. However he'd bid 5♠ if he doesn't, right?

LOL

[Phil]

I think this is a great question. If we heard a 2♦ call a double would be "cards". Over 4♦, a double should be lead-directing I think.

The realistic possibilities are:

1. Direct 4♠
2. Pass and 4♠ over 4♥
3. 4♥


In my opinion:

#1 should be "all spades"

#2 should be a weak pass or correct

#3 should be a strong 4♠ or "correct"; pard has the option of doubling 5♥.

[mtvesuvius]

Phil, on Jan 26 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

In my opinion:

#1 should be "all spades"

#2 should be a weak pass or correct

#3 should be a strong 4♠ or "correct"; pard has the option of doubling 5♥.

This was exactly what I thought, so I passed then bid 4♠. However my partner strongly advocated bidding 4♥ here... Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. When LHO showed up with 5♠ and LHO had the Jx of clubs that I guessed wrong... The result was -1400. Anyway, I'm interesting in hearing more thoughts on these options as this is something rarely discussed...

[Echognome]

mtvesuvius, on Jan 26 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠.

I don't understand. Partner didn't have both majors. Partner didn't have a long minor. Partner had a pass of 1NT.

[mtvesuvius]

Echognome, on Jan 26 2009, 01:33 PM, said:

mtvesuvius, on Jan 26 2009, 10:27 AM, said:

Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠.

I don't understand. Partner didn't have both majors. Partner didn't have a long minor. Partner had a pass of 1NT.

I thought so too... However my partner wouldn't let me get one word in about his double, seeing as I had just gone for 1400 by bidding what I thought was a pass or correct bid that he passed... Assuming DD play, 5♣ is -3 for -500, assuming partner had his bid means that 5♣ is -300.

[bid_em_up]

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Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠.

I was going to ask if this qualified for a "long minor" as well (not being familiar with Meckwell). I am guessing that it does not from the answer above?

[jdonn]

If your partner overcalled on that hand, I recommend not listening.

[neilkaz]

jdonn, on Jan 26 2009, 01:09 PM, said:

If your partner overcalled on that hand, I recommend not listening.

I also recommend trying out a new partner and one who realizes that sometimes when you play gadgets like this, the opps interfere and that he should keep his know it all attitude under control when a bad result happens.

[peachy]

mtvesuvius, on Jan 26 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Phil, on Jan 26 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

In my opinion:

#1 should be "all spades"

#2 should be a weak pass or correct

#3 should be a strong 4♠ or "correct"; pard has the option of doubling 5♥.

This was exactly what I thought, so I passed then bid 4♠. However my partner strongly advocated bidding 4♥ here... Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. When LHO showed up with 5♠ and LHO had the Jx of clubs that I guessed wrong... The result was -1400. Anyway, I'm interesting in hearing more thoughts on these options as this is something rarely discussed...

I saw both hands in your later post. Your partner did not have what he promised and then he blamed you for a bad result. I don't think you want this partner much longer. If you do, at least do not listen to him/her.

[mtvesuvius]

peachy, on Jan 26 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

mtvesuvius, on Jan 26 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Phil, on Jan 26 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

In my opinion:

#1 should be "all spades"

#2 should be a weak pass or correct

#3 should be a strong 4♠ or "correct"; pard has the option of doubling 5♥.

This was exactly what I thought, so I passed then bid 4♠. However my partner strongly advocated bidding 4♥ here... Partner had Axx xx Axx KQTxx and passed my 4♠. When LHO showed up with 5♠ and LHO had the Jx of clubs that I guessed wrong... The result was -1400. Anyway, I'm interesting in hearing more thoughts on these options as this is something rarely discussed...

I saw both hands in your later post. Your partner did not have what he promised and then he blamed you for a bad result. I don't think you want this partner much longer. If you do, at least do not listen to him/her.

Yes, my partner is extremely argumentitive and is not exactly the greatest ... We rarely play together, perhaps for good reason. Anyway, thanks for all your thoughts, I really appreciate them .