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#1 User is offline   MarkDean 

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Posted 2008-December-13, 23:41

AKQJT
T95
void
AKJ83

White vs Red, IMPs

As dealer, you open 1S, partner raises to 2S

No agreements, but you assume partner would take 3C as natural and 4D as a splinter.

What is your call?
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Posted 2008-December-13, 23:46

I would have tried 4d, I want to hear 4h.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 01:22

3 clubs followed by 4 diamonds, looking for a heart cue-bid. Or, I suppose 4 diamonds right away is fine, too, and blasting over 4 hearts (which I would take as last train, not necessarily heart Ace, but what else can partner have and still make a last train call besides heart honors?)
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Posted 2008-December-14, 08:29

3♣.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 09:41

I need to hear a heart cuebid from partner. 4♦.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 11:19

3C.

If the choice is between 3C and 4D.
Personnaly I would give up chasing the
rainbow and bid 4S, but there are lucky
days.

3C has the adv. that you can give partner
a 2nd chance to bid.
Besides you hear if he has min or max.,
which is also something you need to hear.

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Posted 2008-December-14, 11:39

4♠
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Posted 2008-December-14, 11:53

I'll try the zia-bid of 4 HEARTS :)
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Posted 2008-December-14, 13:30

IMO this is not a good situation for a psychic 4H because it is too likely that if partner goes on after that, you won't have any play for slam.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-14, 14:21

3♣ seems like by far the best route to staying out of slam if partner has ♣xxx. There will be plenty of time to check for the heart control.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 20:39

We miss 4 cards, slam chances are small, I would try 4♦ and give up if I don't hear 4♥ next.
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Posted 2008-December-14, 22:23

P_Marlowe, on Dec 14 2008, 12:19 PM, said:

3C has the adv. that you can give partner a 2nd chance to bid.

Agree with 3♣ for this reason. 4♦ puts tremendous pressure on partner to cuebid with no trump honors. We really only need ♠xxxx, ♥A, ♣Q to make a slam.
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Posted 2008-December-15, 02:20

3 ♣, because the queen of club is so valuable and xxx is so bad... and for the other reasons given.
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  Posted 2008-December-15, 09:44

3♣. I know where I am wanting to go. I have a good five card suit. I may need to play in clubs to get a pitch on the major suit fit.
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Posted 2008-December-19, 15:03

MarkDean, on Dec 14 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

AKQJT_T95_-_AKJ83

White vs Red, IMPs

As dealer, you open 1S, partner raises to 2S

No agreements, but you assume partner would take 3C as natural and 4D as a splinter. 

What is your call?

I do not like making splinters with a wide open side suit.

If Responder has 2 good cards, We have five level safety. If they have 3, We belong in slam. I'm going to pattern out my hand.

1S-2S;3C-any;4C-any;4H or 5H -??

Is my initial plan.
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Posted 2008-December-19, 16:45

3♣.

I am the one who needs information, not partner. Therefore, the telling bid of 4♦, while it may elicit a 4♥ response, is not right. Partner does not need to know about my diamond shortness, and neither do the opponents.

Also, you do not necessarily need the ♥A to make a slam. xxxx KQx xxx Qxx or even xxxx KQx xxxx xx is enough for reasonable play for slam. The ♥A would be better, but I will find out about it just as easily (perhaps more easily) by bidding 3♣ and then bidding 4♣ or 4♦ on the next round.
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Posted 2008-December-19, 20:10

Long or short? Why not medium?
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Posted 2008-December-20, 14:12

3C can't be right because this is some kind of a game try. Obviously most of the replies assume it is a help-suit game try. If I were to rebid 3C and follow this with 4D. My partner would figure out that I had better than a game try. He would also figure that this was a residual bid and therefore I was short in hearts. This is not the picture I want to paint. A splinter bid is better but it is a well known fact that a splinter bid in a void is not good practice. Partner will not discount the value of an ace in that suit. In my opinion, the only acceptable rebid is 4S.
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Posted 2008-December-20, 14:16

foo, on Dec 19 2008, 09:03 PM, said:

MarkDean, on Dec 14 2008, 12:41 AM, said:

AKQJT_T95_-_AKJ83

White vs Red, IMPs

As dealer, you open 1S, partner raises to 2S

No agreements, but you assume partner would take 3C as natural and 4D as a splinter. 

What is your call?

I do not like making splinters with a wide open side suit.

If Responder has 2 good cards, We have five level safety. If they have 3, We belong in slam. I'm going to pattern out my hand.

1S-2S;3C-any;4C-any;4H or 5H -??

Is my initial plan.

This is the same problem. If I rebid 3C and then bid the club suit again, my partner, being smarter than me, will figure out that I am 6-5 in the black suits. Another picture I don't want to paint.
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Posted 2008-December-20, 14:28

4♦ seems fine to me.

If partner moves over this he will not have much wasted in diamonds. Slam seems okay opposite the ♥AK, or ♥A+♦A, or ♥KQ+♣Q, and so forth. I don't see any issue with having a "wide open suit" -- partner isn't going to move past 4♠ if he has lots of junk in diamonds and since he cannot have any spade honors or any club honors other than the queen, he basically has to have heart cards to make a positive move here.
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