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3m over 1S-2H

Poll: what should 3m promise? (31 member(s) have cast votes)

what should 3m promise?

  1. only 4+m, no extra needed (3 votes [9.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.68%

  2. either 15+HCP or 5+ card m (9 votes [29.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.03%

  3. extra HCP (15+) (16 votes [51.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 51.61%

  4. extra ahape, 5+card m (1 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  5. both (15+ and 5+m) (2 votes [6.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

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#1 User is offline   stjk 

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Posted 2008-December-08, 15:37

after 1S open (5+S 12-21) and 2H response (GF with 5+H), does
3m by opener always promise extra? if yes, what kind of extra?

Thanks,
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Posted 2008-December-08, 16:08

I have played both styles -

1) It shows no extras.

Advantage: A rebid of a major shows 6 cards.
Disadvantage: forcing possibly a level to high without determining the level

2) Bidding 3 of a minor shows extra playing strength

Disadvantage: Rebidding 2 of a Major is the catch-all bid and does not describe shape.
Advantage: Responder has an easier to time describing his hand.

I have moved towards #2, but I still think style #1 is very playable. I sometimes wonder what the correct action is holding two small spades opposite.
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Posted 2008-December-08, 16:09

Depends on agreements, I prefer it shows extras. The advantages occur when you can bid 3m showing extras, the disadvantages occur when you rebid 2S which is less well defined.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-08, 16:22

Shows extras, I really think this is a must.
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Posted 2008-December-08, 17:02

Agree that's a style matter and that style 2) is technically superior, for a lot of reasons, some of which already mentioned.

Style 1) is playable within the context of a limited, 11-15, opener.
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Posted 2008-December-08, 17:04

whereagles, on Dec 8 2008, 06:02 PM, said:

Style 1) is playable within the context of a limited, 11-15, opener.

Agree, Meckwell seem to manage.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-11, 12:38

Hi,

a matter of partnership agreement, but my suggestion is,
that it should.

Each player has to limit his hand a sometime, and the time
should be not too late.
If you dont, than opener reached the 3 level, and responder
will have a guee, if he should make a move toward slam or
not, ... and you have the add. scenario, that you did not
discover a fit yet.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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